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Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by assimpleaspossi »

gainda wrote: post #193
assimpleaspossi wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And how does that change anything?

it ends up reading to me as an afterthought or half-hearted attempt to explain away the salute. a salute which was given with a grimace and a violent force, twice; it doesn't match the warmth of a message of 'my heart goes out to you.' when you say 'my heart goes out to you' your hands typically stay on your heart ( which he seemed to know to do then ) or move very slightly directly out, not diagonally and up.

If I use a word to describe you, and you took it as an insult, but later found out the word was a compliment, is my description of you still an insult?

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Post by Jensson »

outer_web wrote: post #182
mrangle wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is terrorism, indisputably. Arguing other point is relatively inconsequential. But if we were to argue the point, to argue that spray-paint isn't "violence" isn't going to have much credibility when it's perceived to be from the long standing "words are violence" and "silence is violence" crowd. A selective standard is no standard at all. How the spray paint differs is that it is property destruction in service of…

We need a new word then, for hijacking planes and driving explosives-laden boats into tankers. Any ideas?

Why? Not all crimes with the same name is of the same severity.

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by dzhiurgis »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #200
dzhiurgis wrote: post #198

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What makes Tesla exactly a con? Their cars are amazing appliances, literally nothing in market like it, for less than a Toyota. FSD is largely delivered. Space internet for everyone (soon potentially also with Freedom™ now that Trump is involved in demonopolising space or whatever it's called) with a phone. Where is the con???

A lot of things, I will just cite one - "FSD is largely delivered". Really ? Can you tell us, where Full-Self Driving is really fully self-driving ? Like being able to summon your car from Los Angeles to New York, like Elon claimed one will be able to do in 2017 ! Tesla sold millions of cars that were supposedly going to become Robotaxis with a simple software update, somewhere in 2019. SIX YEARS AGO. Tesla even show…

You can buy supervised FSD right now. It works extremely well to the point testers are bored out of their minds - their channels became worthless since it barely makes any mistakes.

It's overpriced and not available where I live, but I'd love one. It doesn't do everything under the sun as promised, but I'd rather drive less than more. The basic 10 year old Autopilot is already huge help.

I'd say it's about 80% delivered. Far from a con.

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Post by n4r9 »

mrangle wrote: post #137
n4r9 wrote: post #76

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Spray painting Teslas is not "violence against civilians". Even setting fire to them in a showroom is debatable if it's at night when no one's about.

It is terrorism, indisputably. Arguing other point is relatively inconsequential. But if we were to argue the point, to argue that spray-paint isn't "violence" isn't going to have much credibility when it's perceived to be from the long standing "words are violence" and "silence is violence" crowd. A selective standard is no standard at all. How the spray paint differs is that it is property destruction in service of…

It's certainly disputable: https://lisa-legalinfo.com/2019/09/11/spray-paint-and-violen...

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by leereeves »

neilv wrote: post #87
reaperman wrote: post #61

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> insurance generally excludes riot and terrorism from coverage anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Risk_Insurance_Act TRIA insurance against terrorism is required by law to be offered as a rider. It's actually shockingly affordable, because the law shifts the ultimate financial burden for any events between $200 million to $100 billion onto the federal government. So insurers have a reasonable cap on the…

Is there a downside to having a terrorism rider, other than higher premiums? For example, if your insurance company would otherwise have to declare a claim as due to non-terrorism, and just pay it (because they'd probably lose in court if they didn't pay), but because you had the terrorism rider , they decide to declare it as due to terrorism, and then you get a less-desirable experience? (For imagined example of les…

A comment above claimed:

> insurance generally excludes riot and terrorism from coverage anyway

If that's true, they'd have even more incentive to declare a claim as due to terrorism if you didn't have a rider. They could avoid paying it altogether.

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Post by TheAlchemist »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #203
TheAlchemist wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of things, I will just cite one - "FSD is largely delivered". Really ? Can you tell us, where Full-Self Driving is really fully self-driving ? Like being able to summon your car from Los Angeles to New York, like Elon claimed one will be able to do in 2017 ! Tesla sold millions of cars that were supposedly going to become Robotaxis with a simple software update, somewhere in 2019. SIX YEARS AGO. Tesla even show…

You can buy supervised FSD right now. It works extremely well to the point testers are bored out of their minds - their channels became worthless since it barely makes any mistakes. It's overpriced and not available where I live, but I'd love one. It doesn't do everything under the sun as promised, but I'd rather drive less than more. The basic 10 year old Autopilot is already huge help. I'd say it's about 80% delive…

Yeah, that's the problem with a real Full Self Driving. It's either 100%, or it's not. 80% doesn't make the cut.

Do you seriously believe the company was valued at >1T$ because investors believed that an "FSD 80% delivered" is enough ?

Tesla and Elon claimed ALMOST 10 YEARS AGO, that the car will drive itself from Los Angeles to New York. Just think how insane this is, even today. And then look up the state of their technology 10 years ago.

Of course self driving will be solved one day. Probably not by Tesla. But it doesn't matter - they were selling this stuff for almost 10 years already, knowing perfectly well it doesn't work. But hey, next version will blow your mind !

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Post by sshine »

mrangle wrote: post #139
sshine wrote: post #134

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Only if there’s people inside. Otherwise it’s vandalism.

That's wrong.

Boeing flies into building.

Missile hits hospital.

Captured dam floods city.

Drone explodes civilian’s head.

Upset leftist scratches swastika on car.

I see the similarities.

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Post by sgerenser »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #187
drooby wrote: post #30

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The whole point is new buyers.. People are protesting Musk. Something like 75% of Musk's current wealth comes from Tesla stock. Tesla stock is going down.. so it is helping the cause

What makes you think Elon cares about wealth? He's been telling about Mars for _2 decades_ and people somehow think he's a nazi about to pull off ethnic cleansing.

There’s a saying about watching what people do, not what they say, that seems to apply well to Musk. The proof that Elon cares about wealth is that he keeps doing everything in his power to gain more of it (well, up until recently, but only because he found he can access power directly instead of indirectly through more wealth).

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by sgerenser »

permo-w wrote: post #59
boznz wrote: post #18

Might effect new buyers decisions I guess, but since about 99% of Tesla's were sold to green, left-leaning buyers, before the Elon hate-fest, I am not sure how targeting that group of people for your hatred is helping any "cause".

>99% of Tesla's were sold to green, left-leaning buyers source

That’s definitely an exaggeration. I’d bet it’s closer to ~60% green left leaning, and another ~30% libertarian, tech types. Would still mean at least 60% of his former audience is lost.

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Post by gainda »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #201
gainda wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it ends up reading to me as an afterthought or half-hearted attempt to explain away the salute. a salute which was given with a grimace and a violent force, twice; it doesn't match the warmth of a message of 'my heart goes out to you.' when you say 'my heart goes out to you' your hands typically stay on your heart ( which he seemed to know to do then ) or move very slightly directly out, not diagonally and up.

If I use a word to describe you, and you took it as an insult, but later found out the word was a compliment, is my description of you still an insult?

If someone who increasingly looks like a nazi sympathizer does a nazi salute and says 'my heart goes out to you,' it's still a nazi salute.

not to mention the out and out white supremacists thought that's what it was.

i would probably view this more charitably in his favor if he just apologized or clarified like a mature person. instead he doubles down on 'corrupt' media, calls to defund wikipedia, and makes juvenile nazi jokes.

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