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Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by frugalmail »

themcaffee wrote: post #135
frugalmail wrote: post #112

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I'm really curious then. Why's the visible person holding the headphones tighter against his ear? What kind of sounds need to be processed by a human for sewer inspection? To their benefit, if it was sus, they would have kept the door shut.

Generally these are done in coordination with a sewer cleaning truck at the next manhole in the pipe. Very common for them to stay on the phone with each other

That makes sense that they would use higher quality headphones on a radio to collaborate. Thanks for the insight!

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by somenameforme »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #151
genewitch wrote: post #87

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not only was there not "definitive evidence"; if you said that the companies did that sort of thing you were called a conspiracy theorist whackaloon. oddly 85% of the general public suddenly was like "well of course they spy on email" after all this came out.

The really odd thing is that 85% of the general public will say "well of course they spy on email" even today, after Snowden's leaks showed that the Obama administration had shut that down.

What? No it didn't, not at all. The leaks clearly showed email as being one of the many things being directly surveilled. Here is one of the many slides directly acknowledging as much. [1]

If you mean the rhetoric around it, then yeah - politicians lie, especially when engaging in what would be seen as deeply unpopular behavior. This isn't a shock. I assure you the admin that passed indefinite detention without charge or trial [2] wasn't some crusader for civil rights. Obama was just ridiculously charismatic and could sell a drowning man water, but he was no different than the rest in behavior.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM#/media/File:PRISM_Collec...

[2] - https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/president-obama-signs-in...

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by lern_too_spel »

somenameforme wrote: post #202
lern_too_spel wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The really odd thing is that 85% of the general public will say "well of course they spy on email" even today, after Snowden's leaks showed that the Obama administration had shut that down.

What? No it didn't, not at all. The leaks clearly showed email as being one of the many things being directly surveilled. Here is one of the many slides directly acknowledging as much. [1] If you mean the rhetoric around it, then yeah - politicians lie, especially when engaging in what would be seen as deeply unpopular behavior. This isn't a shock. I assure you the admin that passed indefinite detention without charg…

We were talking about mass surveillance. PRISM isn't that. They used to collect mass email metadata, using facilities like Room 641A. Snowden's leaks showed that they had already stopped. These days, it wouldn't even be technically possible, let alone legally possible, because pretty much all SMTP traffic is over TLS. Gmail won't even accept unencrypted SMTP connections.

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by WWLink »

mhb wrote: post #183
tptacek wrote: post #39

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We had ours done when we moved in a couple years ago and it was a cool snakey camera thing; they only got us out to the service line; past that would have been a lot more elaborate. Also: that video feed? Pretty gross. As an aside: I think a lot of people here would be surprised at the amount of technology (and surveillance) that goes into setting speed limits and placing stop signs in residential areas.

A lot of people might also be surprised how frequently traffic engineers will OK unnecessary and less safe four way stops in order to get the annoying citizen pestering them to just leave them alone.

The neighborhood that I have to drive through to get from where I live to where I work hates that their precious little neighborhood is used as a commuter route by a lot of people, so they stuck stop signs EVERY. SINGLE. BLOCK.

I make sure to come to a complete fucking stop at every one of those signs. Partially because I hate the feeling of rolling through stop signs, but partially out of spite lol.

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by Scoundreller »

samstave wrote: post #130
rogerallen wrote: post #123

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My top post ever on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/6dwg/wired_unve...

Thats awesome. See my post below -- I have been tracking Eschelon since the early 90s... Guess what NSA router backdoors have become (mobile phones with socialifelog media apps on them) --- And like @tptacek said >> If it was the NSA, their van wouldn't look so goofy that people took one look at the photo and assumed it had to be an NSA van, which is what happened here. This is a bad movie plot trope: the bad guys ca…

The Onion was on this a looong time ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ380SHZvYU

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by WWLink »

genewitch wrote: post #82
Bluecobra wrote: post #37

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As an aside, if you are purchasing an older home make sure you pay for a sewer line inspection. I had no idea this was a thing until a few years later when I had to replace mine and it cost ~$25,000.

how far is that sewer line run, 6 miles? they usually just bore it out and put a PVC sleeve inside. This is done with the cast iron sewer lines, because if they're not properly taken care of, they will rust into nothing and then you just have a suggestion of a hole through the dirt to the sewer line. my lines are 4" PVC, if we somehow clog those, someone call me an ambulance.

The old shitty clay lines are what you find in most rentals in SoCal. Then one day none of your toilets flushes and the landlord says you flush too many wipes down the toilet. You argue and they make you pay for a plumber who's like "yea they all do that DONT USE WIPES!!!!!One!!!" And then finally after getting to know every other plumber in town, one offers to run a camera for free and shows you that the main line is fucking falling apart and that's why it keeps plugging up.

TBH sewer main inspections should be required any time someone wants to rent a house out.

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by somenameforme »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #203
somenameforme wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? No it didn't, not at all. The leaks clearly showed email as being one of the many things being directly surveilled. Here is one of the many slides directly acknowledging as much. [1] If you mean the rhetoric around it, then yeah - politicians lie, especially when engaging in what would be seen as deeply unpopular behavior. This isn't a shock. I assure you the admin that passed indefinite detention without charg…

We were talking about mass surveillance. PRISM isn't that. They used to collect mass email metadata, using facilities like Room 641A. Snowden's leaks showed that they had already stopped. These days, it wouldn't even be technically possible, let alone legally possible, because pretty much all SMTP traffic is over TLS. Gmail won't even accept unencrypted SMTP connections.

What!?!? Yes PRISM is a mass surveillance program. And it's not metadata, it's piping entire content straight from the target to the NSA, in real time. This involves direct filtered data (such as Skype messages/videos) indirectly handed over by participating companies (which is probably all major tech companies in the US at this point), as well as raw upstream (essentially line tapping) data such as provided via STORMBREW. [1]

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STORMBREW

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by sethaurus »

timewizard wrote: post #185
shadowgovt wrote: post #142

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You have to remember that half, possibly more than half, of the country is more than okay with what the NSA was doing and is doing. It's not at all surprising that Congress would indemnify people for, more or less, doing what Congress authorized them to do. If we don't like it, we could consider, maybe not voting the same people into that Congress. Over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. A full 24 Sen…

> You have to remember that half, possibly more than half, of the country is more than okay with what the NSA was doing and is doing. I doubt this. I'd also be interested to see if those people actually know, on any real level, what the NSA was actually doing. > If we don't like it, we could consider, maybe not voting the same people into that Congress. Over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. They so…

Forgive me for being obtuse, but what exactly are you claiming here? Are election results being faked?

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by serial_dev »

lukan wrote: post #20
nabakin wrote: post #12

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I don't think I've ever seen the inside of an actual undercover van before. Crazy picture. Do we know anything else about them?

I would not jump to conclusions so soon. A) I would question why they would do the effort of still doing surveillance on him B) if they do, they are usually so smart to keep the door closed C) like others have mentioned, sewer cleaning comes with a lot of tech (I assume remote controlled machines)

While I can honestly believe both (it was a surveillance van vs it was a sewer maintenance company), do you think that the intimidation and surveillance of Snowden or Assange won’t last until the end of their lives?

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by serial_dev »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #151
genewitch wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not only was there not "definitive evidence"; if you said that the companies did that sort of thing you were called a conspiracy theorist whackaloon. oddly 85% of the general public suddenly was like "well of course they spy on email" after all this came out.

The really odd thing is that 85% of the general public will say "well of course they spy on email" even today, after Snowden's leaks showed that the Obama administration had shut that down.

It’s really odd, indeed, that people think some reorg and a smooth politician didn’t in fact change the very nature of the surveillance companies.
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