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Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

#201

The problem with buying European is that shipping between countries is nightmarishly expensive. If Brussels wants to try something useful - instead of bottle caps create a proper shipping network that can ship from Malaga to Vilinus in 2 days for 0.5 euro per KG. It is not that we don't have national postal companies. It is absurd to buy something for 15 euro in italy and pay 30 euro shipping to romania.

International freight shipping is incredibly cheap per kilogram (1 TEU/20ft shipping container costs about 6000 euros to ship, with a max eeight of about 28900kg, so about 20 cents per kg), at least by sea and rivers. Many of the costs come from the moment products arrive on land. Land-locked countries and countries with major population centers far away from docks and freight terminals pay the price.

Shipping individual packages within a short amount of time costs money. The solution is to do what companies like Amazon and AliExpress do: stock up products in many different companies in bulk so that packages can be dispatched locally for much cheaper.

Many of the shipping routes between countries go by plane rather than by boat, filling up unused weight in passenger planes or being shipped in bulk by passenger planes. Planes are a lot more expensive, especially by weight, but you'll get your products within days rather than weeks.

If you're a business importing goods in bulk, you'll have to deal with weeks or even months of delays between ordering and delivery, but international cargo delivery per product is essentially free unless you ship things like cars.

Things will become cheaper as warehouses are spread wider and transport legs get optimized more. Currently, there aren't many companies shipping from Italy to Romania, so there aren't many boats or trains making the journey, and shipping is expensive. When demand grows, more availability will follow, and prices will drop eventually.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Yeah, that's why I don't think it's in the cards yet. On the other hand, things are very fluid now. Things that were unthinkable two months ago (e.g. Germany ending the 'debt brake') are happening now.

>Germany ending the 'debt brake') are happening now. Now what exactly they're goanna do with the extra debt is the question. More debt to fund innovation, infrastructure, defense, education and healthcare is welcome, but if it's just more debt to fund welfare and pensions, like Southern Europe, then nothing will improve.

They will change the paragraphs only wrt infrastructure, defense (and possibly climate things to get the votes of the greens). Meaning that the debt brake will still exist for all other things, basically. (but yes: creative bookkeeping will become easier ;))

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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I know that it's not in the cards (yet), but I hope the UK and the EU can be a single market again (even if the UK does not rejoin the EU). Let's make our market as large and attractive as possible! We love the UK and you are part of the European family :hugs:.

Whilst a good idea, no politician is going to try and do it under the fear of reigniting the Brexit argument which ends up dominating politics in the country.

Oh I think a war with Russia would override those concerns!

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

#204
post #107

I'm looking for a European alternative to Visa/Mastercard that works across countries, not just in one country. I know there's this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Payments_Initiative but I believe it's not operational atm.

The European alternative was sold to--sorry, merged into--Mastercard and rebranded to Maestro: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europay_International. It was the E in EMV. So friendly were European and American relations in the past that it was allowed to happen.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Add to that how amazon boxes stand out, and are easily targeted by porch thieves.

I don't think that's much of an issue on this side of the pond. Trust has been low enough for a long enough period of time that packages don't get left on porches.

That's area dependent, there are multiple shipping companies that have options for leaving package by the door step and rarely are things stolen. It's completely down to where you live.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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For anything time critical Amazon Prime is a godsend. 1) Anything PC related I can get shipped to me tomorrow. There is one local computer store and they just repair laptops and phones with absolute rip off prices (£70 for a HDMI cable). Before Amazon it took days to get an order shipped from one of the big PC suppliers in the UK, Payment used to an absolute PITA frequently card gets rejected on dubious grounds. I've…

I have several options within walking distance that sells HDMI cables for same price as Amazon, and I can trust that they sell a cable that works according to spec. Amazon uses a 3rd party to deliver here, and their short delivery times is really only available in larger cities if the item is in that particular warehouse. Since they use 3rd party to deliver I can buy from other stores and also have next day delivery,…

> I have several options within walking distance that sells HDMI cables for same price as Amazon, and I can trust that they sell a cable that works according to spec.

1) I used to example of the HDMI cable to show how much of a ripoff that shop was. I use Amazon to buy all manner of PC equipment. Alternatives in the UK have poor delivery times, stock or payment is a faff.

2) I don't have any options in walking distance at all and I don't buy the cheap cables from Amazon.

Not all of us live in a city. I live in a countryside town and options are severely limited. The only shop near me is a Nisa General, a Chinese Takeaway and a Hardware Store that has some old guy talking about the Freemasons all the time.

> Amazon uses a 3rd party to deliver here, and their short delivery times is really only available in larger cities if the item is in that particular warehouse. Since they use 3rd party to deliver I can buy from other stores and also have next day delivery, not like delivery times were bad before though. Have several package locker services available as well, next day delivery is common but depends on how far it has to travel.

Good for you this isn't everywhere. I don't have this option. The nearest PC parts supplier is in Manchester which is over an 1 hour drive and closes before I finish work. The other PC parts supplier is 1 hour 30 minutes away in Stoke-on-Trent.

They rip you off on next day delivery (it doesn't cost that much more as I post stuff regularly myself) or they just don't offer it.

> Can Amazon be better for some niche stuff? Probably, but its unlikely to be in the warehouse close to me anyway. I'd rather wait an extra day than exfiltrate barely taxed money to the US if I can help it.

No Amazon isn't good for niche stuff (this stuff I am ordering for my car isn't that niche either). I have no other option for many car parts to either go to Ebay or I have to go to a official parts seller. The main issue as stated is delivery times are slow because most of the guys that are part suppliers are guys in their 60s.

Waiting an extra day isn't an option sometimes. You did notice where I specifically said where I need things quickly right?

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

#207
post #90

Is there any European alternative for Hacker News? And if yes, what's its URL/web address? Preferable in French or Italian, or maybe even German, which I wanted to learn for a long time and this would be a good enough motivation, because, and with all due respect to the Irish, having a continent-wide conversation in a language natively spoken by only ~5 million of its own people is not very conductive to the forming…

Splitting Europe by language again will only be a disadvantage. Depending on where you live in Europe, the lingua franca is either English or Russian, with maybe a bit of German and French in border regions.

I don't see the value add of an international forum with local languages. There's a great Dutch tech forum already (tweakers.net) visited almost exclusively by Dutch and Flemish people. Great for locals, but entirely impossible to join in on as a foreigner.

Also, you may be confusing Europe with the EU. The UK has almost 70 million people speaking English every day.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

#208
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Thank you for including the UK, we are still part of Europe! Added my company ( https://mailpace.com ) - I’m looking forward to a resurgence of innovation in European tech companies, the talent and education here is amazing, we just need to improve our investment and start treating tech with as much respect as we give to law, finance and other “prestigious” career paths here

> Thank you for including the UK, we are still part of Europe! Always. hug

Let's get Russian disinformation and influence out of Europe and heal the European relationships. Cannot wait to see Farage begging for food in the subway.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Turkey is not part of the EU.

They should be.

They started the process to join the EU, but political ideals have since shifted and I don't think they'll ever join the EU with the way things are going now. Even if Turkey changes their mind, I don't think most of Europe would still want them in in the state they're in right now.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

#210

Thank you for including the UK, we are still part of Europe! Added my company ( https://mailpace.com ) - I’m looking forward to a resurgence of innovation in European tech companies, the talent and education here is amazing, we just need to improve our investment and start treating tech with as much respect as we give to law, finance and other “prestigious” career paths here

Perfect timing. I've been working on a little side project which is getting close to actually being done. Being able to use at least one non-US company for it will be great.
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