this is impacting scientific research to the point that people are scrubbing the word "gender" from their papers to avoid their research programs getting flagged by the doge gestapo
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"Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order
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#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's your personal threshold for gatekeeping when people are supposed to call it fascist? Have you done your nerd research on how Nazis dismantled the democratic state? If so, at what step would you have gatekept calling it fascist? Blanket calling worried people as "juvenile" as a dismissal is in itself pretty fucking juvenile, hope you can see that.
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Not unaccountable, just requiring the cooperation of multiple branches to remove. Cooperation which has been deemed too transparent, too vulnerable to actually caring about what is being destroyed.
What other constitutional procedures require cooperation between branches to make a decision?
The president signs laws, for example...... This isn't hard.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
Elon Musk’s entire net worth is tied up in stocks. If Tesla crashed, so would Elon’s power.
I know it sucks, but ELon also has SpaceX, Twitter, xAI and oddballs like neurolink and boring company that would still keep him outrageously wealthy if Tesla collapses. Also Tesla won't collapse because it's investors are the most brain damaged investors, and frankly their self-fulfilling prophecy has kept them repeatedly buying any dip back up. It's been extremely profitable to be a mindless Tesla investor.
Why does it suck that he has given humanity all those things?
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
If your question is whether the “independent” agencies are Constitutional, the answer is yes. Congress makes the laws and the laws can constrain the behavior of the President. If the law says the President cannot fire someone, or interfere in an agency’s work, then the President cannot. So who are such agencies accountable to? Congress. Just like the president is accountable to Congress.
So your understanding is that these agencies are part of the legislative branch and the senate/house would have the power to do this? If it’s that clear will it be easy to take this to the Supreme Court?
They don't have to be part of any branch. The usual branches are descriptive concepts. (Or they can be part of the executive branch yet still not be part of the "unitary executive" part. The law allows for any kind of exemptions and special-casing.)
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What is an “independent agency”? Which branch of the government is that a part of? Which electoral representative do they report to?
I dunno, it makes sense that the federal branch that manages interest rates is independent of the president. Didn't we have a whole thing where Trump couldn't force rate increases or decreases back in 2020? Do we really want Trump to declare interest rate changes via tweeting or whatever? What about things like drug approvals? I don't want Trump to ban certain drugs just because they didn't donate to his campaign. I…
It makes sense that we don’t elect a fed chairmen, but if the fed chairmen doesn’t report to any elected official then where do they get their authority?
Supreme Court Judges are appointed by elected officials, but then don’t report to anyone. Maybe a fed chairmen is like that? But there is no constitutional office like that. Surely congress can’t make up offices which are then untouchable?
I don’t want trump playing transactional games with the FDA either, but I don’t see how that can be balanced with the powers. He is the chief executive.
I mentioned in another comment that one angle that would make more sense than arguing that agencies are “independent” is to argue that trump is not enforcing the law already written by congress, so taking away the power of the legislature. That seems like a more fruitful take.
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#207“ Sec. 7. Rules of Conduct Guiding Federal Employees’ Interpretation of the Law. The President and the Attorney General, subject to the President’s supervision and control, shall provide authoritative interpretations of law for the executive branch. The President and the Attorney General’s opinions on questions of law are controlling on all employees in the conduct of their official duties. No employee of the executi…
I think a lot of people that are freaking out are missing that this applies to the executive branch, over whom the President has already perfectly well established. Literally the first statement of article 2 of the US Constitution (which lays out the power/rules for the executive branch) is "The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America." The main point of this executive order is…
> this applies to the executive branch
So he gets to tell police what the law is and who to arrest within the "law" that he proclaimed.
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
What other constitutional procedures require cooperation between branches to make a decision?
The president signs laws, for example...... This isn't hard.
Im not being facetious. That’s a good example. So in that case the president has a final yes/no, but no authority to rewrite.
So maybe congress has a kind of veto power here?
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#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think a lot of people that are freaking out are missing that this applies to the executive branch, over whom the President has already perfectly well established. Literally the first statement of article 2 of the US Constitution (which lays out the power/rules for the executive branch) is "The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America." The main point of this executive order is…
We’re not “missing” anything, your interpretation of the Constitution is incorrect. You may want to scroll up and read Article I, which constrains Article II (that’s why it comes first). Your understanding of Chevron deference is also incorrect, for what it’s worth.
> You may want to scroll up and read Article I, which constrains Article II (that’s why it comes first)
What in Article I imposes constraints on the presidency? It's almost all about the legislature itself, and hardly mentions the executive. Specifically, I don't see anything that lends credence to the idea that Congress can control the workings of executive departments.
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#210This will probably get flagged, but if you read this, spent a few minutes trying to understand the gravity of this specific EO. Every federal employee even in independent agents must and will jump when Trump says so. Even if he asks them to do something illegal (close the congress! Jail a democrat!), they must follow his orders. Because HIS interpretation of the law cannot be superseded.
What is an “independent agency”? Which branch of the government is that a part of? Which electoral representative do they report to?
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