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JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by MissTake »

Kuinox wrote: post #196
MissTake wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“minimum ratio” Which is what? Is it a well defined fact?

It's defined in the document I linked. And yes, it's a well defined fact.

> When designing readable interfaces for different vision capabilities, the WCAG guidelines recommend the following contrast ratios

So, they’re recommendations, not facts.

A fact is not a recommendation.

You can cling to this until the cows come home, but anything visual is dependent on the viewer. It’s not a fact. It’s subjective.

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by danw1979 »

solardev wrote: post #114
vinayan3 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been hoping that Fleet would emerge as a true multi language IDE. I code in GoLang and Python regularly. I currently have the Python plugin in Goland which is not the professional plugin. If I want them I have to use a different IDE and switching back and forth is a pain. Also, with a rewrite I've hoped that remote development will be less buggy than it currently is with Goland. It's laggy too and you see weird…

Can you not use IntelliJ IDEA (the Java one) with the Python and Go plugins?

yes you can, but only the paid for Ultimate edition if you want the Golang plugin.

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by Kuinox »

MissTake wrote: post #201
Kuinox wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's defined in the document I linked. And yes, it's a well defined fact.

> When designing readable interfaces for different vision capabilities, the WCAG guidelines recommend the following contrast ratios So, they’re recommendations, not facts. A fact is not a recommendation. You can cling to this until the cows come home, but anything visual is dependent on the viewer. It’s not a fact. It’s subjective.

What you say are words not facts too. It's your opinion, wrong but still your opinion.

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by MissTake »

Kuinox wrote: post #203
MissTake wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When designing readable interfaces for different vision capabilities, the WCAG guidelines recommend the following contrast ratios So, they’re recommendations, not facts. A fact is not a recommendation. You can cling to this until the cows come home, but anything visual is dependent on the viewer. It’s not a fact. It’s subjective.

What you say are words not facts too. It's your opinion, wrong but still your opinion.

I’m simply stating that for something to be objective it has to be an absolute irrefutable fact.

Anything else is subjective.

A UI can never be objectively bad because it is based upon how someone sees it.

For me, Gimp has a subjectivity bad UI because I’ve never been able to get my head around it.

Other people find it’s perfect and that it’s really easy to use.

Both statements are subjective.

“Objective” and “subjective” are both words that have well defined accepted dictionary definitions.

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by mixmastamyk »

smrtinsert wrote: post #183
rhubarbtree wrote: post #130

Anyone wondering whether JetBrains IDEs are still worth it - absolute yes from me. VS code is a UX mess by comparison. Webstorm can be tricky to configure with Typescript but once it’s setup my goodness it’s good.

Agreed. VScode is fine for me as a markdown editor/log viewer/advanced text editor, but when its time to develop, I can't imagine doing without the IDEA Ultimate productivity boost.

Why not use something fast and doesn’t spy, like np++ or geany as a simple editor?

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by RockRobotRock »

thesurlydev wrote: post #189
rhubarbtree wrote: post #130

Anyone wondering whether JetBrains IDEs are still worth it - absolute yes from me. VS code is a UX mess by comparison. Webstorm can be tricky to configure with Typescript but once it’s setup my goodness it’s good.

Yes. Absolutely. But with one caveat: JetBrains is clearly lagging behind in AI features and none of the 30+ LLM plugins come close to the killer feature of Codeium's Windsurf (Cascade). For this reason, I've been using both Windsurf and JetBrains in concert which is a pain but works for now. I have high hopes for "Junie" but fear it's going to be a while before it's ready for prime time.

I'm dipping my toes into AI features with JetBrains' assistant subscription. What am I missing out on?

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by RockRobotRock »

bayindirh wrote: post #134
rhubarbtree wrote: post #130

Anyone wondering whether JetBrains IDEs are still worth it - absolute yes from me. VS code is a UX mess by comparison. Webstorm can be tricky to configure with Typescript but once it’s setup my goodness it’s good.

Unfortunately many new developers don't believe in powerful "power" tools anymore. They like to connect many small tools for an inferior experience and they just scoff at bigger tools for being "too complicated". I use another big tool which is around 20 years old, and that can do everything and a ton more from a single screen at the same speed or faster, with greater integration. Yet people don't touch it because it…

I feel like I "earned" the right to use big ugly IDE after learning the underlying complexity the hard way, but that's only for one language.

Jumping into a new language with JetBrains is the difference between me spending 2 hours figuring out a codebase and submitting a PR, and me spending 2 hours fucking around trying to fix things.

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by niemandhier »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #171
rhubarbtree wrote: post #130

Anyone wondering whether JetBrains IDEs are still worth it - absolute yes from me. VS code is a UX mess by comparison. Webstorm can be tricky to configure with Typescript but once it’s setup my goodness it’s good.

PyCharm is excellent; have not found anything as good for heavy python development update: emphasis on "heavy". It's good for python projects. For some one-off script I'm more likely to use Zed. pyCharm indexing drives me nuts sometimes. But Zed lacks the features that I use in pyCharm for larger projects.

Telling the indexed to only index env packages and ignore system packages

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by mike_hearn »

ernst_klim wrote: post #173
bayindirh wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately many new developers don't believe in powerful "power" tools anymore. They like to connect many small tools for an inferior experience and they just scoff at bigger tools for being "too complicated". I use another big tool which is around 20 years old, and that can do everything and a ton more from a single screen at the same speed or faster, with greater integration. Yet people don't touch it because it…

> Unfortunately many new developers don't believe in powerful "power" tools anymore. I have to use IntelliJ due to Kotlin codebase, but I'm still more of a fun of Emacs and I don't like Idea that much. I think IDEs somewhat lack the power that simpler tools have, which is automation. One thing I miss from IntelliJ is programmability. That's why I still use Emacs on workplace for anything outside of Kotlin (git, grepp…

You might find this interesting:

https://dmitrykandalov.com/liveplugin

IntelliJ is very programmable, but it can be a bit intimidating because out of the box it assumes that you want to program it by creating plugins. That's very different to the elisp REPL driven approach. LivePlugin bridges the gap by letting you control the IDE from a repl-like console, building up scriptlets that use the same plugin APIs. There are examples for how to do things like add menu items, explore the semantic PSI trees, trigger refactorings or do whatever else you want to do.

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by Nullabillity »

bayindirh wrote: post #154
Kuinox wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also configure the VS Code UX.

That's not the question. The question was "you can change the toolbars and shortcuts in JetBrains Rider, no?" I presume the answer is yes, from what you said. Then it becomes less of an issue, if not an non-issue. IDEs and code editors are tools which we live with for a long time. Nobody expects their defaults to be unchanged. Otherwise we'd be all using notepad.exe for coding. Not having the defaults organized by yo…

An IDE's literal whole selling point is supposedly being a packaged product that you can just pick up and run with, at the price of not being particularly good at any of the things it does (and usually being pretty expensive).

If you still need to customize everything then, well, what did you actually gain over assembling your environment by yourself from actually competent pieces?

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