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Re: Elon Musk's Demolition Crew

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Sincere question: are you and I using “democracy” to mean the same thing? What Trump is doing is a reversion to how the federal government was run after the founding and during the 18th century (what’s derisively called the “spoils system”). Trump campaigned with a bunch of people with specific ideas (RFK, Musk, Gabbard, etc.) and then when elected put those people in positions of authority. Here, taking an axe to th…

Typically, democratic means voting people in Congress in, then Congress votes and represents their constituents. There is a reason the President was not initially elected by the people. The spoils system and the current systems failings are precisely that foresight. When Congress is weak, the Executive is unchecked. Go read the Old Whig 4

Sure, presidential electors should be appointed by state legislatures and the administrative state is unconstitutional.

But if we aren’t relitigating all that: we have an administrative state, to which Congress has delegated vast authority. Given that, how is it possible to argue that we should then further insulate that administrative state from accountability to the only elected official who can effectively hold it accountable—the President? What’s left?

That view reduces the elected government to a meta-government. Congress’s job is to make largely jurisdictional and procedural rules for the civil service to follow, and the president’s job is to mind adherence to those rules. But actual policymaking is delegated to the civil service, which is insulated from elections.

The spoils system is good, actually, and I’m persuaded that’s how the constitution was meant to work. People who voted for Trump loved that he put up a slate of people he was going to appoint with concrete visions of how they were going to run the government. That seems democratic to me.

Re: Elon Musk's Demolition Crew

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> Not really - if you’ve studied political science there’s a concept called unitary executive theory, which basically says (...) If you read up on unitary executive theory, you won't need to look too hard to stumble upon the fact that it is rejected as being sugar-coated totalitarianism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_backsliding_in_th... So you're trying to refute the totalitarian push represented by Tru…

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Having lived under authoritarianism, I strongly urge you to firmly and swiftly form a negative opinion regarding an executive fully exetcising bypass of the legislature and courts.

Re: Elon Musk's Demolition Crew

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> The access that DOGE and Elon has is strictly legal via standard government processes. Nope, you are mistaken. The EO gave access for DOGE and unclassified systems. Treasury has quite a bit that is classified. This is why the lawsuits to stop them have merit. https://home.treasury.gov/about/general-information/orders-a...

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Re: Elon Musk's Demolition Crew

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Walk and talks like a duck. This is an attempt at Yarvin's Butterfly revolution. Failing too, because courts know how to prioritize and take past actions into account, but wasteful nonetheless. I hear loads of Feds saying to hold the line. Less have taken Musk's RAGE offer than what normally retire in a given year.

That's an optimistic take unfortunately. From what I can see, the attempt is going tremendously well. We'll have to see how brazen the trump admin really is prepared to be here. If they are all in, they'll ignore the courts and the doj will do nothing about it. Which has already been telegraphed. From what ive seen, The feds are saying "hold the line" mostly to cope with the situation. If this admin wants to retire t…

6% of Feds retire annually. 2.5% or so gave taken the offer. This is not wide success.

I agree, the blitzkrieg on democracy really needs to stop. Per doge goals, doge is highly inefficient and lacking oversight.

Re: Elon Musk's Demolition Crew

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Empire maintenance is hard. USAID was a form of soft power that prevented the necessary use of blunt force. Given the rhetoric against China, the consolidation of power and rise of nationalistic fervor. I suppose we’re just a few years from war with China. Presumably under a false flag operation ala Gulf of Tonkin style. Fascism is capitalisms iron fist.

War with China might be necessary to purge US fascism.

Re: Elon Musk's Demolition Crew

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I agree, that was a striking claim to make. Perhaps the person you responded to puts a lot into their 401k thinking it is social security or thinks income tax is FICA?

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15% is pretty far removed from 25%. I'll happily take the 10% you're willing to pay in to keep your estimate accurate!

Re: Elon Musk's Demolition Crew

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You are correct. It's ironic that they wave the American flag and claim to be patriots, and yet no one hates the American government more than the Trump MAGA cultists who wave the American flag the hardest. The cruelty is the point. Millions of federal workers who are decent and hard-working folks will lose their jobs. Millions of poor people in the Global South will die, but this is what they want because most of th…

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Re: Elon Musk's Demolition Crew

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Americans have the some of the cheapest housing and highest salaries in the world and look around and cry foul. The biggest thing holding poorer Americans back is lack of education opportunities and wage theft by their employers. What does this department do to address those issues?

> Americans have the some of the cheapest housing and highest salaries in the world and look around and cry foul. I must be living in a different America then.

Have you genuinely tried to compare the salaries vs cost of living in the US vs other countries?

You would genuinely be surprised. Financially the thing that leads most Americans to bankruptcy is medical debt.

Another factor primarily lead by private industry taking advantage of people.

Re: Elon Musk's Demolition Crew

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I speak from personal history, but it's really easy to take a bunch of theoretically smart, high-achieving young people, give them a singular purpose, and have them work in overdrive with a level of arrogance that fits their lack of wisdom. It's essentially exactly how Mao was able to create the Red Guards during the Cultural Revolution.

The Cultural Revolution did not have theoretically smart, high-achieving young people. Most of the atrocities were done by people who hated the "theoretically smart, high-achieving young people"

I think the current idea is for the violence to be done by prison guards in El Salvador. The kind of person that thinks SV "built the modern world", and that they're part of a new tier of human being for having gotten rich for stuff like having worked on a game for kids 11 years ago, and therefore are entitled to co-rule the world from now on, are just useful fools that help to enable that.

Re: Elon Musk's Demolition Crew

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I speak from personal history, but it's really easy to take a bunch of theoretically smart, high-achieving young people, give them a singular purpose, and have them work in overdrive with a level of arrogance that fits their lack of wisdom. It's essentially exactly how Mao was able to create the Red Guards during the Cultural Revolution.

The Cultural Revolution did not have theoretically smart, high-achieving young people. Most of the atrocities were done by people who hated the "theoretically smart, high-achieving young people"

> Most of the atrocities were done by people who hated the "theoretically smart, high-achieving young people"

No, most of the atrocities were done to eliminate political threats by targeting everyone who had a semblance of power and did not fell in line. Academia was targeted not because of an anti-intellectual push but because they could counter the influence of the new totalitarian regime trying to establish itself. There's a good reason why the leaders of said authoritarian pushes were lauded as the brightest minds in the land, whose writings should be consumed with a religious fervor.

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