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Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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I'm using chrome on linux and noticed that this year cloudflare is very agressive in showing the "Verify you are a human" box. Now a lot of sites that use cloudflare show it and once you solve the challenge it shows it again after 30 minutes! What are you protecting cloudflare? Also they show those captchas when going to robots.txt... unbelievable.

Just wanted to mention that the time between challenges is set by the site, not CF. Perhaps if you mention it, the site(s) will update the setting?

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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post #126

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They do not support major browsers. They support "major browsers in default configuration without any extensions" (which is of course ridiculous proposition), forcing people to either abandon any privacy/security preserving measures they use, or to abandon the websites covered by CF. I use uptodate Firefox, and was blocked from using company gitlab for months on end simply because I disabled some useless new web API…

Although I sometimes have problems with Cloudflare, it does not seem to affect GitHub nor Gitlab for me, although they have other problems, which I have been able to work around. Some things that I had found helpful when working with Gitlab is to add ".patch" on the end of commit URLs, and changing "blob" to "raw" in file URLs. (This works on GitHub as well.) It is also possible to use API, and sometimes the data can…

I think they protect only the login page.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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How many of you all are running bare metal hooked right up to the internet? Is DDoS or any of that actually a super common problem? I know it happens, but also I've run plenty of servers hooked directly to the internet (with standard *nix security precautions and hosting provider DDoS protection) and haven't had it actually be an issue. So why run absolutely everything through Cloudflare?

I've been hosting web sites on my own bare metal in colo for more than 25 years. In all that time I've dealt with one DDoS that was big enough to bring everything down, and that was because of a specific person being pissed at another specific person. The attacker did jail time for DDoS activities.

Every other attempt at DDoS has been ineffective, has been form abuse and credential stuffing, has been generally amateurish enough to not take anything down.

I host (web, email, shells) lots of people including kids (young adults) who're learning about the Internet, about security, et cetera, who do dumb things like talk shit on irc. You'd think I'd've had more DDoS attacks than that rather famous one.

So when people assert with confidence that the Internet would fall over if companies like Cloudflare weren't there to "protect" them, I have to wonder how Cloudflare marketed so well that these people believe this BS with no experience. Sure, it could be something else, like someone running Wordpress with a default admin URL left open who makes a huge deal about how they're getting "hacked", but that wouldn't explain all the Cloudflare apologists.

Cloudflare wants to be a monopoly. They've shown they have no care in the world for marginalized people, whether they're people who don't live in a western country or people who simply prefer to not run mainstream OSes and browsers. They protect scammers because they make money from scammers. So why would people want to use them? That's a very good question.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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post #55

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Cloudflare has been even worse for me on Linux + Firefox. On a number of sites I get the "Verify" challenge and after solving it immediately get a message saying "You have been blocked" every time. Clearing cookies, disabling UBO, and other changes make no difference. Reporting the issue to them does nothing. This hostility to normal browsing behavior makes me extremely reluctant to ever use Cloudflare on any project…

At least you can get past the challenge. For me, every-single-time it is an endless loop of "select all bikes/cars/trains". I've given up even trying to solve the challenge anymore and just close the page when it shows up.

that's not Cloudflare, they stopped doing pictures years ago. You can tell because Cloudflare always puths their brand name on their page.

Cloudflare just blocks you without recourse nowdays.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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post #149
post #141

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You don't need to clear cookies to avoid sending that data back. Just use a browser that properly isolates third party/Facebook cookies.

You don't even need to use a different browser - Firefox has an official "Multi-account containers" extension that lets you assign certain sites to open in their own sandbox so you can have a sandbox for Google, another for Facebook, etc.

Great idea, I wasn’t even aware and got resigned to the idea tracing is inescapable, but I really need to take that back, even stop using a lot of hostile services. On smartphones it’s even worse.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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I run a honeypot and I can say with reasonable confidence many (most?) bots and scrapers use a Chrome on Linux user-agent. It's a fairly good indication of malicious traffic. In fact I would say it probably outweighs legitimate traffic with that user agent. It's also a pretty safe assumption that Cloudflare is not run by morons, and they have access to more data than we do, by virtue of being the strip club bouncer f…

Many / most bots use Chrome on Linux user agent, so you think it's OK to block Chrome on Linux user agents. That's very broken thinking. So it's OK for them to do shitty things without explaining themselves because they "have access to more data than we do"? Big companies can be mysterious and non-transparent because they're big? What a take!

Can't the user agent be spoofed anyway?

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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Cloudflare is slowly but surely turning the web into a walled garden.

Slowly? Have you not watched the pot boil around you for the past decade? There are zero good search engines. Everything returns propaganda.

This is all as it was intended.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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post #206

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At least you can get past the challenge. For me, every-single-time it is an endless loop of "select all bikes/cars/trains". I've given up even trying to solve the challenge anymore and just close the page when it shows up.

that's not Cloudflare, they stopped doing pictures years ago. You can tell because Cloudflare always puths their brand name on their page. Cloudflare just blocks you without recourse nowdays.

> Cloudflare just blocks you without recourse nowdays.

looks like someone is due for a class action

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