They might have plummeted but it’s worth mentioning that in the UK vehicle taxes have changed this year for electric vehicles. Most EVs are still leased through employer linked things that incur an income tax saving, but that got less generous since a ‘benefit in kind’ charge now applies to EVs, and the road tax is no longer free for EVs from this year. Those things together make people much more price sensitive than they were a year ago.
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#202Chinese have far better and cheaper EV cars. Getting spare parts for Tesla in Europe is a nightmare!
Most European EV sales that aren't Tesla are European brands like Volkswagen Group (VW, Audi, Skoda), BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Stellantis (Pueguot, Fiat, Opel), Renault-Nissan (Renault, Dacia, Nissan), or Korea's Hyundai. The only Chinese challenger brand that has some traction is Geely via Volvo. You can see this in EU EV industry data as well from JATO (the EU's auto industry trade group) - https://www.jato.com/reso…
There’s BYD garages popping up all over the place though. Not seen many on the road yet…
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the problem with a non-tesla is charging… and it is a BIG problem. I own both Tesla and a non-tesla EV which I literally never take anywhere if I need to charge it … the first time you wait 7 hours to charge the car you get it :!
At least in the US, almost every automaker has contracted with Tesla for access to the Supercharger network. I am aware this is still a chokepoint that Musk could exercise control over while having a controlling interest in Tesla.
I bought my Tesla in 2014 and have 100k miles of free super charging behind. total number of non-Tesla’s I have seen in 11 years charging - exactly two
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I’ll be selling our Tesla as soon as other brands have NACS. Specifically Rivian is what I’m looking for and have a preorder on an R2
Yup, We are waiting for the rivian to have NACS as well. I was considering the idea of buying a used Tesla and just ripping the emblems off and putting a wrap on it. I don't like car models and brands on cars anyways. But yeah, probably will definitely get a rivian, especially the new R3! I still don't know if the heat pump will be as good as Tesla's but it doesn't matter. I don't respect Elon anymore. I still do def…
Rivian already supports NACS dongles.
Realistically, you’ll want CCS and NACS for the foreseeable future.
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
At least in the US, almost every automaker has contracted with Tesla for access to the Supercharger network. I am aware this is still a chokepoint that Musk could exercise control over while having a controlling interest in Tesla.
I bought my Tesla in 2014 and have 100k miles of free super charging behind. total number of non-Tesla’s I have seen in 11 years charging - exactly two
Which would make sense, considering how recent the network access agreements were.
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#206Vaguely related, Paul Graham tweeted "I worry Elon has no idea how much he has damaged his personal brand ...", re UK stuff and Elon posted a pages of text rant as a result. Not sure if it was written by him or Grok. I worry Elon's going a bit bonkers with drugs or whatever. Conversation here: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1879785727468163505
Wow, that thread is something else.
So genuine question: is Musk actually addicted to drugs? Or a frequent user? I keep seeing that around, but I don't know if it's more a joke/meme or serious?
My theory is that after he bought Twitter he no longer had to abide by the rules (since he owns the thing), and combined with his wealth basically no one ever says "no Elon, you can't do that" or "you idiot, that's fucking mental". Also he has tons of people cheering him on (also in that thread). This is not helping keeping him grounded.
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
I bought my Tesla in 2014 and have 100k miles of free super charging behind. total number of non-Tesla’s I have seen in 11 years charging - exactly two
Which would make sense, considering how recent the network access agreements were.
not sure what agreements and with which companies, I have audi etron and am not able to charge at tesla charging stations
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Which would make sense, considering how recent the network access agreements were.
not sure what agreements and with which companies, I have audi etron and am not able to charge at tesla charging stations
The subset of Tesla Superchargers with a MagicDock are usable by any CCS EV. You can find them on the Tesla charger map by filtering by "Open to other EVs"
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Which would make sense, considering how recent the network access agreements were.
not sure what agreements and with which companies, I have audi etron and am not able to charge at tesla charging stations
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>Musk hasn't suddenly changed in the past few months. Respectfully, that is a minority view.
Thank you for respectfully disagreeing. Will you elaborate so that I can hear a different perspective?
Are you actually serious?
Did you not happen to see him perform multiple nazi salutes on live TV, during the inauguration of the president of the world's largest economy?
That was Jan 21st. Before then, I was only aware that he was a bit of a dick online.
Now he's radioactive, and with very good reason. He's an evil person who I will do everything I can to not enable.