Hawley limited power this is an attention ploy.
US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek
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Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you have ollama installed and 404GB free space: ollama pull deepseek-r1:671b
Genuinely curious - if one did not have any tooling at all (other than curl or wget or fetch, etc.) is there a one-liner to download only the deepseek model ? git clone --mirror ... ?
Yes, you need git with git lfs. Then just: `git clone https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1`
Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek
#203On the one hand Hawley proposes a lot of things that don't ever get close to becoming law. On the other hand, we did ban TikTok (which is currently unavailable on the app stores because of the ban). I can think of few ways to more effectively destroy any US advantage in AI compared with the sheer efficiency of making it illegal to learn from what competing countries have achieved. From the article, it sounds like the…
It's not about a US advantage in AI. It's about politicians restricting our freedom and violating their oath to uphold the Constitution.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure it’s even worth speculating on a bill that’s merely been proposed. This one sounds DOA. But yeah TikTok ban was a very bad precedent, mostly because it was based on speculative risks, not hard proof of existing behaviour (TikTok not engaging didn't help at all either). Regardless of the merits I too hope it doesn’t have a ripple effect. National security is such a huge brush you could paint anything you want…
The risk is obvious and it has nothing to do with privacy... It's the fact that CCP could deliberately alter the algorithm to influence a significant portion of the US in any way they please.
Oh yeah, we wouldn't want the United States to be influenced into making a stupid, irrational mistake.
Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek
#205Am I reading the bill text wrong or is it really so general it would also apply to devices assembled in China that can perform AI operations? Seems like there'd be pushback from Apple, MS, etc on that one.
Ah, nevermind, just saxophones:
> ... tenor processing unit...
Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek
#206> The Republican Senator from Missouri Josh Hawley has introduced a new bill that would make it illegal to import or export artificial intelligence products to and from China, meaning someone who knowingly downloads a Chinese developed AI model like the now immensely popular DeepSeek could face up to 20 years in jail, a million dollar fine, or both, should such a law pass. You get less jail time for committing 34 fel…
You mean one time-barred, victimless misdemeanor that got transmogrified into 34 felonies by an overzealous political hack of a prosecutor? Lawfare was tried, and it failed. I hope it dies the death it deserves instead of becoming the new normal.
If you're an actual attorney, you should be disbarred. Not sorry.
Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek
#207> The Republican Senator from Missouri Josh Hawley has introduced a new bill that would make it illegal to import or export artificial intelligence products to and from China, meaning someone who knowingly downloads a Chinese developed AI model like the now immensely popular DeepSeek could face up to 20 years in jail, a million dollar fine, or both, should such a law pass. You get less jail time for committing 34 fel…
up to 20 years. Realistically some kid downloading a model would get probation, and you'd only get 20 years if you were making an entire enterprise out of it. relevant: https://web.archive.org/web/20130208124604/https://www.popeh...
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Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
US is a racist country though, at least at the government level. See how BLM and January 6th demonstrations got treated.
It took bipartisan pardons/commutations across 2 disparately ideological faction leaders to even the outcomes for both groups of people who purportedly aimed to overthrow the government that let them all be free.
So the outcomes are even now?
Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek
#209On the one hand Hawley proposes a lot of things that don't ever get close to becoming law. On the other hand, we did ban TikTok (which is currently unavailable on the app stores because of the ban). I can think of few ways to more effectively destroy any US advantage in AI compared with the sheer efficiency of making it illegal to learn from what competing countries have achieved. From the article, it sounds like the…
Not sure it’s even worth speculating on a bill that’s merely been proposed. This one sounds DOA. But yeah TikTok ban was a very bad precedent, mostly because it was based on speculative risks, not hard proof of existing behaviour (TikTok not engaging didn't help at all either). Regardless of the merits I too hope it doesn’t have a ripple effect. National security is such a huge brush you could paint anything you want…
The problem with tiktok is not speculative at all. It doesn't matter what you can prove they did, it only matters that you can prove they can.
It is not speculation at all to say that tiktok can both collect data and manipulate populations. Whether they actually do doesn't even matter. The problem is you can't prove that they have not, are not, or will not.
The only problem is 50 other apps all pose essentially the same risks, and tiktok is hardly special.
The contrast is any of the various open source activity pub apps. Any given server could be doing anything, but there is no single black box server that everyone has to live on. There are 1000 different servers and a bunch of open source code that all serve as verification checks on each other. No aberrant server can hide its skewed behavior for long when there are other servers that didn't F with the code and so their behavior matches the public code, and so the aberrant ones can be exposed by their behavior and stats deviating from the norm, even if you can't trust that a given server is really running clean code.
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
Congress didn’t change its tune. PAFACA is supported by 80% of legislators. It has more support than virtually any other legislation.
I know it's stupid to get upset over an app like TikTok, but the ban really did shock me a little, even more so because of how widely supported it was. What party or politicians support individual freedom in this context? How could libertarians support banning an app?
The left doesn’t support individual freedoms because they believe that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. The right no longer supports individual freedoms because they believe that the privileges of the few outweigh the needs of the many.