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Over 90% of U.S. airport towers are understaffed, data shows

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Re: Over 90% of U.S. airport towers are understaffed, data shows

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Why are they not being trained for free after passing aptitude tests? It sounded like people still needed to pay for their college to even get to the ATC specific training.

I'm not sure I understand your comment. ATC is paid - they receive on-the-job training. College degrees specializing in ATC are not required.

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post #85

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I mean there's an entire cult of people who think 5G causes Covid and RF changes your DNA.

Well, Covid is likely made In USA. https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/foi-litigation-on-origins... And RF really changes your DNA https://www.iarc.who.int/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/pr208_E....

The evidence of RF causing gene mutation is not conclusive.

Re: Over 90% of U.S. airport towers are understaffed, data shows

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post #142

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TCAS works with Mode-C (same as military Mode 3).

So why didn't it work?

TCAS shows nearby aircraft on a map. It generates a Traffic Alert (TA) to warn of nearby aircraft when certain parameters are met. If they get closer then it generates a Resolution Advisory (RA) which gives climb/descend instructions to avoid a collision. RAs are disabled below 1000 feet.

So there's already tracking on a map that's available to the pilots. During landing, pilots are looking outside and not glued to their instruments.

The real issue is trying to cram too much aircraft in such a small space and time.

Re: Over 90% of U.S. airport towers are understaffed, data shows

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post #181

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But what evidence is there that the shortage was caused by those 'DEI' policies? For example, in 2013 the FAA Academy was shut down for most of the year (April - December) due to the sequester. They had planned to hire more than 1300 controllers that year but hired fewer than 600. Additionally, part of the changes that brought along the biographical questionnaire had another major change: they opened up positions to…

I'm arguing that DEI/"biographical" standards are indicative of greater rot. The one and only priority of the FAA should be the safe and efficient operation of our nation's airways. That we would sacrifice any amount of safety/efficiency in pursuit of other goals is a major problem. I also apply this thinking to other fed gov programs (eg NSF, DoD, etc) Edit: in other words, how many lives should we sacrifice in our…

I don’t agree with you that safety was sacrificed in the name of diversity or equity.

We sacrificed those lives to save money. End of story.

Re: Over 90% of U.S. airport towers are understaffed, data shows

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post #42

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Then it's topical for understanding the makeup of ATC controllers right now, isn't it? The impact of hiring decisions in 2018 would continue through their retirement age in the 2050's. We still talk about Reagan's mass-firing of ATC controllers, and that event was in *1981*. The impact is multi-generational and is still very visible.

Not necessarily. In the reparations lawsuit, there are only 1000ish individuals. Assuming all of them would have qualified, you are talking about around 2% of the current workforce. Not nothing. But the last admin grew the workforce by more numbers. And did not have this policy. So, by all means, chase reparations. But don't think you've stumbled on the reason, either.

I think there are only about 10,000 active controllers (not in training)

Re: Over 90% of U.S. airport towers are understaffed, data shows

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They won't cut traffic for the same reason they are understaffed: money. Raise pay until you have enough staff. It's not always that simple, but sometimes it is. Not everyone could do it, but a lot of people could. You just have to pay them to attract them from more lucrative jobs (which includes training them to do it). Instead they'll pay as little as they can, and occasionally pay to replace an aircraft.

> They won't cut traffic for the same reason they are understaffed: money. Raise pay until you have enough staff. It's really not that simple. It's a 3-year training process. There's really nothing that's going to get you adequately staffed in the short term. Sure, that could solve the problem medium term.

So I think if the US gave out good secondary benefits, a green card and good pay for experienced candidates, the lead time would be far shorter.

Sure, you'd need to train such foreign candidates in US regulations, but that ought to be a far shorter route. And I'm sure the US could afford to get half of the ATCs from $FOREIGN_COUNTRY with such a proposition. (For countries where a desire to live in the US is common, that is).

While that is totally not done wrt that foreign country: 1. Money+employment conditions could alleviate the problem significantly; 2. something flamebaity.

Re: Over 90% of U.S. airport towers are understaffed, data shows

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post #97

The big question every one seems to be ignoring is whether air travel in the US should now be considered dangerous. If ATC is understaffed or filled with unqualified people, then how is any flight safe? Why would anyone get on a plane unless they really have to and have no other option?

Rich people got on airplanes in the 1930s despite the fact they crashed frequently because it was still better than spending weeks aboard a cruise liner.

Re: Over 90% of U.S. airport towers are understaffed, data shows

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> They won't cut traffic for the same reason they are understaffed: money. Raise pay until you have enough staff. It's really not that simple. It's a 3-year training process. There's really nothing that's going to get you adequately staffed in the short term. Sure, that could solve the problem medium term.

ATC here (opinions are my own, not of the FAA, etc) Pay is a huge part of it, so it really is that simple. Qualified people are choosing not to even apply anymore because the pay is no longer competitive with other high-paying jobs that don't destroy you mentally and physically, or have a complicated hiring process like ATC does.

I would presume a lot of younger people are probably disqualified for ATC by current or past stimulant use.

Whereas a field like tech almost requires stimulant use now. Maybe good peak pay, but no job security there anymore though.

Re: Over 90% of U.S. airport towers are understaffed, data shows

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A plane and helicopter over DC came within 500' of each other over DC barely 24 hours before the crash. They avoided collision because they were over 1000' and the TCAS was still active: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huVFZ__q2rI During the day the only thing that was keeping those collisions from happening under 1000' was pilots seeing each other. At night the only thing keeping it from happening was luck. The erro…

> A plane and helicopter over DC came within 500' ... They avoided collision because they were over 1000' and the TCAS was still active That's not an example of why air travel is dangerous, that's an example of why air travel is safe.

There is a single failsafe which barely worked when the event was above 1000'. Under 1000' TCAS is automatically shut off. The flightpaths in the area of the airport are all significantly below 1000'. There are zero protections there except for the awareness of the pilots.
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