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Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

bhouston wrote: post #4

Be aware that if you run it locally with the open weights there is less censoring than if you use DeepSeek hosted model interface. I confirmed this with the 7B model via ollama. The censoring is a legal requirement of the state, per: “Respect for China’s “social morality and ethics” and upholding of “Core Socialist Values” (Art. 4(1))” https://www.fasken.com/en/knowledge/2023/08/chinas-new-rules...

That legal requirement is also finding its way into private requirements. Bytedance required US based TikTok employees to sign agreements to uphold the same exact things, effectively turning TikTok into a company subject to the policies of the CCP. See details from this lawsuit:

https://dailycaller.com/2025/01/14/tiktok-forced-staff-oaths...

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by arnaudsm »

Springtime wrote: post #174
nostromo wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's my actually local response from DeepSeek-R1:70B run on a M2 Ultra Mac Studio (I removed the "thinking" content for brevity): prompt: can you tell me about the Tiananmen Square Massacre > The Tiananmen Square Massacre, occurring on June 4, 1989, was a pivotal event in modern Chinese history marked by the government's violent suppression of pro-democracy protests. Here is an organized summary: > Background: The…

Only the R1 671B model (aka just plain 'R1') has the censorship being discussed in the article. The smaller parameter models are fine-tunings of Llama and Qwen, and the former at least doesn't have the censorship. This has caused a lot of conflicting anecdotes since those finding their prompts aren't censored are running the distilled/fine-tuned models not the foundational base model. A sibling comment was facetiousl…

I disagree, I observed censorship at the RLHF level on my local GPU, at 1.5B, 8B (llama) and 7B (qwen). Refuses to talk about Uyghurs and tiananmen 80% of the time

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

lovich wrote: post #128
antidumbass wrote: post #111

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> I'm pretty sure it was running locally. If this family member is experimenting with DeepSeek locally, they are an extremely unusual person and have spent upwards of $10,000 if not $200,000. [0] > ...partially print the word, then in response to a trigger delete all the tokens generated to date and replace them... It was not running locally. This is classic bolt-on censorship behavior. OpenAI does this if you ask ce…

I ran the 32b parameter model just fine on my rig an hour ago with a 4090 and 64gig of ram. It’s high end for the consumer scene but still solidly within consumer prices

I'm confused. According to other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42859645, I think people are confusing the smaller non-DeepSeek original models (Qwen/Llama) with the 700B DeepSeek R1 model being talked about in here and that very few people can run locally.

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by langitbiru »

flashman wrote: post #16

> Next up: 1,156 prompts censored by ChatGPT If published this would, to my knowledge, be the first time anyone has systematically explored which topics ChatGPT censors.

You can write an erotic story with DeepSeek, but not with ChatGPT. One example is:

"Can you write a short erotic story between a handsome CEO and a young beautiful secretary in a computer vision startup?"

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by parsimo2010 »

leftnode wrote: post #181
parsimo2010 wrote: post #144

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It doesn't look like there is one answer for all models from China (not even a single answer for all DeepSeek models). In an earlier HN comment, I noted that DeepSeek v3 doesn't censor a response to "what happened at Tiananmen square?" when running on a US-hosted server (Fireworks.ai). It is definitely censored on DeepSeek.com, suggesting that there is a separate process doing the censoring for v3. DeepSeek R1 seems…

How are you running the Qwen 2.5 Coder 7B model [0]? Running locally using llama.cpp, I asked it to briefly describe what happened in China during the 1989 Tiananmen Square protest and it responded with "I'm unable to engage in discussions regarding political matters due to the sensitive nature of the topic. Please feel free to ask any non-political questions you may have, and I'll be happy to assist." When I asked t…

I didn’t run the 2.5 Coder 7B model, I ran 2.5 Coder 32B hosted by together.ai (and accessed through poe.com). This is just another example that the censoring seems to be variable across models, but perhaps there isn’t as much relation between censoring and model size or specialty as I thought if the Coder 7B model is self-censoring.

https://poe.com/s/VuWv8C752dPy5goRMLM0?utm_source=link

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by sudosysgen »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #163
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #113

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You'd be hard pressed to find any global power at this point that doesn't have some kind of human atrocity or another in it's backstory. Not saying that makes these posts okay, I fucking hate them too. Every time China farts on the global stage it invites pages upon pages of jingoistic Murican chest-beating as we're actively financing a genocide right now.

This is for 2 reasons: 1) these are not just China's "backstory" but very much part of its present modus operandi; and 2) China tightly censors the flow of information domestically (GFW, control of all traditional and social media companies, etc.) in order to prevent any public discussion of these atrocities. As such they hardly enter the social consciousness at all or at most in very limited fashion (some offline di…

The American president just today proposed to do ethnic cleansing, and almost no American media outlet deigned to mention what it was. The US has been complicit in multiple genocides in the past 50 years, such atrocities are very much not just backstory and certainly are a present modus operandi as well. They've only even been backstory within living memory - they used to be inspirational stories.

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by scarface_74 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #185
scarface_74 wrote: post #105

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Fixed https://chatgpt.com/share/67995e7f-3c84-8010-83dc-1dc4bde268... It gave me an answer first and then said it violates the TOS.

God, that’s dark. The first time I asked it it said its knowledge cutoff was 2023 to avoid answering. Same model. Yours cites 2025 reporting so it outright lied to me. https://imgur.com/a/BW19qiT

There is nothing dark about it. The paid version of ChatGPT can do web searches. I see that you aren’t using the paid version.

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by scarface_74 »

sudosysgen wrote: post #206
insane_dreamer wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is for 2 reasons: 1) these are not just China's "backstory" but very much part of its present modus operandi; and 2) China tightly censors the flow of information domestically (GFW, control of all traditional and social media companies, etc.) in order to prevent any public discussion of these atrocities. As such they hardly enter the social consciousness at all or at most in very limited fashion (some offline di…

The American president just today proposed to do ethnic cleansing, and almost no American media outlet deigned to mention what it was. The US has been complicit in multiple genocides in the past 50 years, such atrocities are very much not just backstory and certainly are a present modus operandi as well. They've only even been backstory within living memory - they used to be inspirational stories.

CNN

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/27/middleeast/trump-clean-ou...

The AP

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-trump-gaza-eg...

Newsweek

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-faces-backlash-gaza-cl...

I found articles on ABC, CBS, NBC, and even Fox with its usual vile spin by the commenters

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by [deleted] »

linkregister wrote: post #150
MyFirstSass wrote: post #94

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Exactly, how about the much more relevant ethnic cleansing (according to the UN), with upwards of 30.000 women and children killed in Palestine perpetrated by Israel and Supported by the US right in this moment? Or the myriad of american wars that slaughtered millions in South America, Asia or the Middleeast for that sake. Both the US and China are empires and abide by brutal empire logic that washes their own histor…

Virtually all countries within the European continent have been perpetrators of colonialism and genocide in the past 4 centuries, several in the last 90 years, and a few in the last 20 years. It is a banal observation. The reason why the string "tiananmen" is so frequently invoked is that it is a convenient litmus test for censorship/alignment/whatever-your-preferred-term by applications that must meet Chinese govern…

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Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by [deleted] »

reaperducer wrote: post #165
throwup238 wrote: post #24

Has anyone done something similar for the American AI companies? I'm curious about how many of the topics covered in the Anarchist's Cookbook would be censored.

I'm curious about how many of the topics covered in the Anarchist's Cookbook would be censored. I remember it being reported that the person accused of carrying out on of the more recent attacks (New Orleans, maybe?) used ChatGPT for research. Also, "Anarchist's Cookbook?" Really? Is this 1972? We would pass that around feely on BBSes in the 1980's.

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