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Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline
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Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline
#202Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?
ever hear of election tampering?
Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline
#203America has the right to ban since china banned all American tech companies from operating in their nation but this means America could never ever talk about freedom of doing business bs
I'm not sure about that... They'll surely continue to use buzzwords "freedom","democracy" for their geopolitics seo.
Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline
#204Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?
I think you have no good answer to this, you should do some soul searching.
Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline
#205The kids flocking to another Chinese app just to avoid using Reels, Shorts, or whatever abomination is on X continues to be so funny to me. Looks like a long game of whack a mole starting.
I think it's a troubling sign that American cultural decline is much broader and deeper than Trumpism.
Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline
#206Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?
1) You can not protect users from being influenced by the media they consume-- that is basically the very nature of the thing. 2) This is not about protecting users of the app, this is about preventing a foreign state from having direct influence on public opinion. It is obvious to me why this is necessary. If you allow significant foreign influence on public opinion, then this can be leveraged. Just imagine Russia b…
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Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline
#207Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?
Not only that, but there's no evidence at all that Tik Tok's been feeding China any data. None. Whereas we have proof and evidence that US agencies can access data about citizens from anywhere else in the world without even needing a court order. Everybody forgot already US spying on Merkel's phone? But that's okay, because America is not bound to any rules I guess. Disgusting foreign policy with a disgusting excepti…
> there's no evidence at all that Tik Tok's been feeding China any data.
Because China's political system applies absolutely no pressure for transparency.
> Whereas we have proof and evidence that US agencies can access data about citizens from anywhere else in the world without even needing a court order.
Something we know about because the US political system has levers that can be pulled to apply pressure for transparency.
You'd have to be very naive not to think that the Chinese government has an interest in controlling what US users of TikTok see. Whether they actually have or not is a somewhat useless question because we'll never know definitively, and even if they haven't today there's nothing saying they won't tomorrow.
We can say that they have both the motive and capability to do so.
Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline
#208Regardless of one’s view on the outcome, this case is a reminder that textualism as a legal philosophy stands on shaky ground. This case is decided not on some strict analysis of the words written by a legislator, but on the court’s subjective view that there is a compelling national interest (which in turn seems based on speculation about the future, rather than a factual analysis of events). Textualism might give t…
What exactly is your issue with this, as a textualist? >[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes; . . . This is foreign commerce. It falls under the explicit jurisdiction of Congress.
Whether Congress has jurisdiction here is not at issue. The court is deciding a different question, which is whether the ban would violate the first amendment. We look at their ruling:
>We granted certiorari to decide whether the Act, as applied to petitioners, violates the First Amendment.
Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline
#209Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?
Plenty of good answers have already been put forward. But in case you're asking in good faith, here are the two main ones:
1- It's in the interest of the US government to protect its interests and citizens from governments that are considered adversarial, which China is. And unlike other countries, the Chinese government exercises a great deal of direct control over major companies (like ByteDance). If TikTok was controlled by the Russian government would we even be having this conversation? (Ironically most Americans are freaked out about Russia, but when it comes to global politics, China is the much greater threat to the U.S.)
I think social media in general - including by US companies - does more harm than good to society and concentrates too much power and influence in the hands of a few (Musk, Zuck, etc.) So this isn't to say that "US social media is good". But from a national security standpoint, Congress' decision makes sense.
2- If China allowed free access to US social media apps to its citizens then it might have a leg to stand on. But those are blocked (along with much of the Western internet) or heavily filtered/censored. TikTok itself is banned in China. So there's a strong tit-for-tat element here, which also is reasonable.
Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline
#210Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?
1) You can not protect users from being influenced by the media they consume-- that is basically the very nature of the thing. 2) This is not about protecting users of the app, this is about preventing a foreign state from having direct influence on public opinion. It is obvious to me why this is necessary. If you allow significant foreign influence on public opinion, then this can be leveraged. Just imagine Russia b…
SCOTUS explicitly avoided ruling on this justification, and it seemed at argument that even some of the conservative justices were uncomfortable with the free speech implications of it.