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Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Also a lot of US STEM grads have their skills wasted in unproductive fields, like the ad business.

If it's so unproductive why does it pay so well?

What makes you think pay is necessarily correlated to productivity?

Taken to the extreme, literal theft can pay well, and produces absolutely nothing.

Pay indicates the transfer of wealth -- it can be a heuristic for productivity, sure, but productivity is clearly not its only source.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Maybe that's how US is going to have enough STEM talents -- just like WWI and WWII, take as many talents as possible when the other parts of the world are in shit.

The scenario that we’re going to be able to fight a war with another first world power, where we will attack their infrastructure but ours will be left untouched, seems unlikely.

China invading Taiwan seems a ton more likely than China lobbing missiles into Arizona.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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- Over 50% of the workers flew in from Taiwan to work on this plant and make these chips. - The chips still need to fly back to Taiwan to be packaged as there are no facilities here with such a capability. Made in america is a hard sell. But at least showing the glaring STEM field gap in the U.S. is a start to finally addressing the brain drain.

That's really a training issue.

Making chips isn't something you learn the details of at University. You can take all the classes you want in advanced semiconductor techniques but the simple fact is University level manufacturing is nowhere close to SOTA.

Basically, you need fab workers to spend time in Taiwan/China, and then return to USA. It's the same model that most foreign students use at schools in USA/Canada. Get USA/Canadian name brand school on resume, learn english, and go back to home country = profit.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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I disagree There is good and bad advertising. I'd want to receive ads for things that I'm really interested in.

It's like saying there is good and bad diseases because some solve other problems like space in nursing home.

No, it isn't.

People want to buy things, especially the ones that make their life easier, but you got to get to know them somehow, right?

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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I disagree There is good and bad advertising. I'd want to receive ads for things that I'm really interested in.

I can’t relate to that. When I see a banner ad I find it obtrusive whether it’s from Bank of America or my favorite HAM radio company. If I’m in the market for a product I value hearing the testimonials of people in my life rather than an advertisement.

I'm mostly thinking about finding things that you werent even aware that they do exist

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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I disagree There is good and bad advertising. I'd want to receive ads for things that I'm really interested in.

It's like saying there is good and bad diseases because some solve other problems like space in nursing home.

Depends on the product being advertised. I don't see how you can compare a product that enhances someone's life to a disease.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Such a great victory for American industry... the future is to bring workers from Taiwan with skills and willingness to receive a fraction of US salaries.

This solves for the US national security issue; in the event of war between China and Taiwan (and a possible proxy war with US), Taiwan immigration would qualify for asylum.

> This solves for the US national security issue

I mean, maybe it's okay that some other country is better than you at something important. Excuse me but: the arrogance.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Make America good at slave labor again basically

Maybe this is the discussion worth having. Taiwanese engineers competed to get into TSMC. Their management practically lived in the factory to solve production issues when needed. The local workers in the Arizona factory said the pay was pretty good per another comment. Yet somehow we thought that we were slaving the labors? What is the fundamental difference here? Personally, if I were a worker who could find just a…

And I'm not sure why this got downvoted. Not that it matters, but I'm very curious about why people were not happy with the questions. My fundamental belief is that if someone chose to accept an offer and then work hard, it's not slavery but free will. But well, I guess American culture is interesting in the regard. If I study STEM hard in school, I'll be a "teacher's pet" or a nerd who knows only "how to cram". On the other hand, if I free throw under a hoop 4000 times a day, I'm DA man and it's worth the highest praise on the level of "have you seen the LA of 4:00am". Or if I'm a banker or a startup employee who worked 100hr+, I'm building the future of the US, yet if I worked in a fab 996 on my own will, I'll be a slave?

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Also a lot of US STEM grads have their skills wasted in unproductive fields, like the ad business.

If it's so unproductive why does it pay so well?

Options traders are paid well. It's still unproductive.

You're just shifting around a bunch of numbers temporarily to make a bunch of money for someone and lose a bunch for someone else.

Lots of shit we do is well-paid and unproductive.

If, as a species, we eliminated all bullshit jobs, there's a good chance only 20-30% of the species would be working. Here in America, only around 50% of people are actually working. Everyone else is in school, or retired.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Wow I did not know this and it is fantastic news, surprised Taiwan allowed this as they see chips as being the most important reason America would intervene if they were invaded.

In case of invasion, it's not that unlikely that the fabs in Taiwan get destroyed, or at least lose the ability to keep making and selling chips while the conflict is hot. In that case TSMC and Taiwan might prefer having a backup. As long as the US doesn't confiscate the Arizona fab, effectively siding with China, Taiwan would arguably have more leverage by still having something of immense strategic value to trade.

In the case of invasion, the equipment within the TSMC factories will be affirmatively destroyed / sabotaged to the extent that it can't be used or studied.
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