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Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by steelframe »

logicalfails wrote: post #175
geertj wrote: post #173

Any advice on how to buy the founders edition when it launches, possibly from folks who bought the 4090 FE last time around? I have a feeling there will be a lot of demand.

Getting a 3080 FE (I also had the option to get the 3090 FE) at the height of pandemic demand required me sleeping outside a Best Buy with 50 other random souls on a wednesday night.

At that time I ended up just buying a gaming PC packaged with the card. I find it's generally worth it to upgrade all the components of the system along with the GPU every 3 years or so.

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Post by FuriouslyAdrift »

out_of_protocol wrote: post #132
Our_Benefactors wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are good 4K gaming monitors, but they start at over $1200 and if you don't also have a 4090 tier rig, you won’t be able to get full FPS out of AAA games at 4k.

Also, ultrawide monitors. They exist, provide more immersion. And typical resolution is 3440x1440 which is high and and the same time have low ppi (basically regular 27" 1440p monitor with extra width). Doubling that is way outside modern GPU capabilities

A coworker who is really into flight sims runs 6 ultrawide curved monitors to get over 180 degrees around his head.

I have to admit with the display wrapping around into peripheral vision, it is very immersive.

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ks2048 wrote: post #192

This is maybe a dumb question, but why is it so hard to buy Nvidia GPUs? I can understand lack of supply, but why can't I go on nvidia.com and buy something the same way I go on apple.com and buy hardware? I'm looking for GPUs and navigating all these different resellers with wildly different prices and confusing names (on top of the already confusing set of available cards).

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Post by FuriouslyAdrift »

smcleod wrote: post #9

It's a shame to see they max out at just 32GB, for that price in 2025 you'd be hoping for a lot more, especially with Apple Silicon - while not nearly as fast - being very usable with 128GB+ for LLMs for $6-7k USD (comes with a free laptop too ;))

Guess you missed the Project Digits announcement... desktop supercomputer for AI at $3k (128 GB ram)

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/project-digits/

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Post by marxisttemp »

out_of_protocol wrote: post #131
dijit wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From all the communication I’ve had with Nvidia, the prevailing sentiment was that the 4090 was an 8K card, that happened to be good for AI due to vram requirements from 8K gaming. However, I’m a AAA gamedev CTO and they might have been telling me what the card means to me .

Well, modern games + modern cards can't even do 4k at high fps and no dlss. 8k story is totally fairy tale. Maybe "render at 540p, display at 8k"-kind of thing? P.S. Also, VR. For VR you need 2x4k at 90+ stable fps. There's (almost) no vr games though

Yep. Few AAA games can run at 4K60 at max graphics without upscaling or frame gen on a 4090 without at least occasionally dipping below 60. Also, most monitors sold with VRR (which I would argue is table stakes now) are >60FPS.

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Post by FuriouslyAdrift »

terhechte wrote: post #179
blixt wrote: post #156

Pretty interesting watching their tech explainers on YouTube about the changes in their AI solutions. Apparently they switched from CNNs to transformers for upscaling (with ray tracing support) if I understood correctly though for frame generation makes even more sense to me. 32 GB VRAM on the highest end GPU seems almost small after running LLMs with 128 GB RAM on the M3 Max, but the speed will most likely more than…

If you have 128gb ram, try running MoE models, they're a far better fit for Apple's hardware because they trade memory for inference performance. using something like Wizard2 8x22b requires a huge amount of memory to host the 176b model, but only one 22b slice has to be active at a time so you get the token speed of a 22b model.

Project Digits... https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/project-digits/

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Post by pier25 »

dijit wrote: post #84
ziml77 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 4090 already seemed positioned as a card for consumer AI enthusiast workloads. But this $1000 price gap between the 5080 and 5090 seems to finally cement that. Though we're probably still going to see tons of tech YouTubers making videos specifically about how the 5090 isn't a good value for gaming as if it even matters. The people who want to spend $2000 on a GPU for gaming don't care about the value and everyon…

From all the communication I’ve had with Nvidia, the prevailing sentiment was that the 4090 was an 8K card, that happened to be good for AI due to vram requirements from 8K gaming. However, I’m a AAA gamedev CTO and they might have been telling me what the card means to me .

The 4080 struggles to play high end games at 4k and there aren't that many 8k tvs/monitors in the market... Doesn't make much sense that anyone would think about the 4090 as an 8k GPU to be honest.

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Post by MoreMoore »

ks2048 wrote: post #199
datadrivenangel wrote: post #196

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Nvidia uses resellers as distributors. Helps build out a locked in ecosystem.

How does that help "build out a locked in ecosystem"? Again, comparing to Apple: they have a very locked-in ecosystem.

I don't think lock-in is the reason. The reason is more that companies like Asus and MSI have a global presence and their products are available on store shelves everywhere. NVIDIA avoids having to deal with building up all the required relationships and distribution, they also save on things like technical support staff and dealing with warranty claims directly with customers across the globe. The handful of people who get an FE card aside.

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Post by doix »

ks2048 wrote: post #192

This is maybe a dumb question, but why is it so hard to buy Nvidia GPUs? I can understand lack of supply, but why can't I go on nvidia.com and buy something the same way I go on apple.com and buy hardware? I'm looking for GPUs and navigating all these different resellers with wildly different prices and confusing names (on top of the already confusing set of available cards).

Nvidia (and AMD) make the "core", but they don't make a "full" graphics card. Or at least they don't mass produce them, I think Nvidia tried it with their "founders edition".

It's just not their main business model, it's been that way for many many years at this point. I'm guessing business people have decided that it's not worth it.

Saying that they are "resellers" isn't technically accurate. The 5080 you buy from ASUS will be different than the one you buy from MSI.

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Post by marxisttemp »

bee_rider wrote: post #200
mastax wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also 60fps is pretty low, certainly isn't "high fps" anyway I’m sure some will disagree with this but most PC gamers I talk to want to be at 90FPS minimum. I’d assume if you’re spending $1600+ on a GPU you’re pretty particular about your experience.

I’m so glad I grew up in the n64/xbox era. You save so much money if you are happy at 30fps. And the games look really nice.

I wish more games had an option for N64/Xbox-level graphics to maximize frame rate. No eye candy tastes as good as 120Hz feels.
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