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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by i80and »

solardev wrote: post #165
i80and wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a while, if you wanted a long range EV you could actually cross the country with, Tesla was it. That's just not true anymore -- I'm coming up on year three with my non-Tesla, and it's been perfect, road trips and all. Tesla still has its brand recognition and inertia in its favor, but it's tougher for them when you can get equally good if not better cars elsewhere.

May I ask what kind of car it is and where the road trips are from/to? The last time I rented an EV in the SF Bay Area (a year or two ago, a Leaf), I had trouble even finding enough charging stations just to get around the area, like from SF to the South Bay and then to Santa Cruz. The few chargers I did find had several broken stations, multiple people waiting in line for the one working one, and it was very expensi…

VW ID.4, road tripping around the northeast (NJ/NY) and midwest (to/fro Michigan).

In your case, the Leaf is the single EV that should never be or have been sold or rented out since around 2020. It's ancient and is the last EV lacking support for the major fast charging plugs in north America, so I'm not surprised you had charging issues! I'm really sorry they gave you that car!

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by freejazz »

bko wrote: post #68
davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

The upside of having an outspoken public figure at the head is that he's in charge and takes ownership. It's pretty wild that you can have some failure in your Tesla, and you can just tweet about it and if its a compelling issue you'll get the CEO to respond and address it directly. Imagine trying to get the attention of someone from Ford. I don't know if you can have it both ways. Either you're a faceless soulless c…

> It's pretty wild that you can have some failure in your Tesla, and you can just tweet about it and if its a compelling issue you'll get the CEO to respond and address it directly.

I'd imagine just regular old good customer service would suffice but, you do you.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by kanbara »

tnaxer wrote: post #116
davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

After criticizing Israel he was "invited" over there, was completely deferential and wore the symbol of the Israel army in interview. Sorry, a real antisemite wouldn't do that. What likely happened is that his comments were taken out of context and deliberately misinterpreted by the "left" (i.e., corporate and establishment friendly) media.

and yet he supports the AfD, far-right "influencers", re-platformed actual nazis, doesn't think j6 was terrorism. the only reason he isn't antisemitic is because he hates muslims more, but either way it's all fascism and racism and none of it is right.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by kanbara »

technion wrote: post #200
pton_xd wrote: post #47

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After owning a Model Y for a year I have to say -- it's the best car I've ever had. Comfortable ride, the visibility with the cameras is great, amazing all-weather traction. It's freakin' fast. The voice-to-navigate works nearly 99% of the time which, given my experiences with Alexa and Siri, is quite impressive. All the usual EV caveats apply though. Being able to charge at home is a must. Living in a cold weather s…

The "being able to charge at home" is why I recently purchased an petrol powered Subaru. But every online comment and guide telling people to simply install a charger in their driveway assumes a certain amount of privilege, and I feel a lot of this discussion just assumes everyone has that privilege. I'm currently living in an apartment, my underground car park has no power runs anywhere near my car. Before that I li…

this is more of a problem with the power of landlords and bad regulations for the average person. in europe in a lot of countries renters have the right to make changes and in some even the right to have EV chargers installed

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by kanbara »

pton_xd wrote: post #47
UndefinedRef wrote: post #2

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After owning a Model Y for a year I have to say -- it's the best car I've ever had. Comfortable ride, the visibility with the cameras is great, amazing all-weather traction. It's freakin' fast. The voice-to-navigate works nearly 99% of the time which, given my experiences with Alexa and Siri, is quite impressive. All the usual EV caveats apply though. Being able to charge at home is a must. Living in a cold weather s…

norway was almost full EV purchases last year. cold weather issues are totally exacerbated.

also, i drove in a tesla, and the number of cameras doing weird and confusing things with bad perspectives weirded me out. i don't know why, but it just felt wrong, and too much information on the screen too. like they tried to do every technical thing just because.

and if you don't think musk is a danger, idk what to tell you. either you support him or you just don't care about human life.

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Post by kanbara »

FloorEgg wrote: post #163
benjaminwootton wrote: post #43

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I'm not really anti Elon, in fact I agree with a lot of what he says, but I just cannot get over that paedo comment. That said a lot about his character.

100% same re the pedo tweet. Though sometimes I remember how just about everyone in my life that I love, respect and have spent a lot of time with has said something stupid, insecure, distasteful or offensive at some point. Everyone makes mistakes and says or does something out of character when they are at their worst. The difference with Elon is that so much of what he says is so public. Some of my friends who are…

he should keep his opinions to himself because he wields more power than billions of people combined, is the richest man in the world, and has said and done pretty heinous things. platforming nazis and right-wing white supremacists, siding with fascists who tried to stage a coup, calls for the murder of muslims, calls for the removal of rights for trans people, and is now calling for treason charges against politicians who did not support donald trump.

not only that, but he disowned his child, calls people slurs and insults them for not supporting him, and is just generally an unpleasant person. he bought an election and unfathomable power, pretty uncool if you ask me.

he also hasn't said one or two messed up things, he tweets them every second. if you are apologising for a racist/white supremacist/nazi/fascist you should look very heavily in the mirror. and if you support the things he supports, well, good luck.

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Post by paulddraper »

davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

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Post by paulddraper »

orwin wrote: post #118
j4coh wrote: post #38

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I guess it speaks more to his utter lack of social skills than anything how he has managed to convince both the far left and far right he is simultaneously an Elder of Zion super-Liberal enemy as well as a white supremacist fascist enemy. Comments supporting both readings keep popping up as replies and then get insta-flagged.

You have almost no far left in the US. You have extreme ID politics (that are distributed on the far right, the right, the "extreme center" and socdems) and a bastardized radical center[0] that include almost every politicians, even those who appear socdems or far-right. And here i'm using far-right to designate people who want to come back on minority rights, and i separate it from the right. (Because when supposed…

> You have almost no far left in the US.

Overton window.

Obviously "left" vs "right" depends on the geography and time period. Otherwise, it becomes very hard to talk about politics.

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Post by 3vidence »

kanbara wrote: post #206
pton_xd wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After owning a Model Y for a year I have to say -- it's the best car I've ever had. Comfortable ride, the visibility with the cameras is great, amazing all-weather traction. It's freakin' fast. The voice-to-navigate works nearly 99% of the time which, given my experiences with Alexa and Siri, is quite impressive. All the usual EV caveats apply though. Being able to charge at home is a must. Living in a cold weather s…

norway was almost full EV purchases last year. cold weather issues are totally exacerbated. also, i drove in a tesla, and the number of cameras doing weird and confusing things with bad perspectives weirded me out. i don't know why, but it just felt wrong, and too much information on the screen too. like they tried to do every technical thing just because. and if you don't think musk is a danger, idk what to tell you…

Norway is also less than half the size of Texas with even that population heavily concentrated in the south near the ports.

North America is .... Big. Like really big. So discussions around vehicle range might be dramatically differently depending on location.

Not saying you are wrong though just something to consider

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