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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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The establishment has changed "a bit", though.

Are you saying that the establishment is anti capitalist?

No, but it's certainly pro "individualism" and hedonism. Anything that can dilute the moral fiber of a nation to make it easier to rule.

You'd have to be delusional to think you're fighting The Man^tm when you stand for immigration and LGBT, at least in western Europe.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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You went into women only spaces with the obvious intent to troll. Quote: „Deshalb ist der Chaos Computer Club nach seiner Satzung und nach dem Willen der Mitglieder eine galaktische Gemeinschaft für alle Lebensformen. Als solche wollen wir allen Teilnehmenden eine sichere und schöne Erfahrung auf unseren Veranstaltungen bieten, unabhängig von Alter, geschlechtlicher und sexueller Identität, körperlichen und geistigen…

Well that is your interpretation. The semi-official transgender association of germany approved my application for a female id which allowed me entry into female only spaces as a matter of german law. If you have a problem with that law don't take it up with me, talk to lawmakers.

Your gender doesn't matter. If you enter a room just to troll the people in it, you don't belong there.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Are you saying that the establishment is anti capitalist?

No, but it's certainly pro "individualism" and hedonism. Anything that can dilute the moral fiber of a nation to make it easier to rule. You'd have to be delusional to think you're fighting The Man^tm when you stand for immigration and LGBT, at least in western Europe.

Oh yes, I definitely agree, but I think that the CCC are aware of the risks of neoliberalism

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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It's "wow, what cool things I can do with this new tech" vs "wow, this new tech is pretty dangerous, let me show you" -- it's a very different mindset. In the end, you can be anti-establishment all you want, it's very hard to let go of your culture.

It was a pretty strong dissonance when reading some, let's say, Hunter S. Thompson short story, how "US conventional" some of his view were. Pretty sure it would be the same for any counterculture in any country. A counterculture doesn't actually rebuild its "host" culture from scratch, it just disagrees about a couple of things.

Well said. However, a counter culture can't diverge too far simply because otherwise it will disappear in the fringes of society with only a handful of followers.

A lot of hippies were not vegetarian or accepting of gays, they just wanted to do drugs and rebel against authority.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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I think it's great. I've good passable German, not enough to really follow the details of a fast-paced, complicated talk, so I'm practically shut off from German media (at this level, anyway). But still, diversity is good, and the American-Anglification of all things cultural and linguistical is not necessarily a net positive. As in, I'm aware there's good points to it, but it's not an entirely clear picture, and som…

Some thoughts are too complex for English. Three genders means they are always one step ahead of the French. Shunning Latin root words means you can be more efficient. German persists for good reasons.

This is satire?

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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I've done that in the past (I lived in youth hostels for years in fact) but I can't now. Especially because I sleep with a CPAP machine as well.

I was wondering how those work in hostels. I have taken mine with me and gotten one of the eight bunk rooms or so next to an outlet

I just don't take the risk of getting hostels. It's not sure you can get a bunk near an outlet, the machine can be messed with or broken etc.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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You can, and probably should. Texts like Kant are borderline incomprehensible even to native Germans and seem to only serve the author's need for displaying their intelligence. The ideas they are conveying are not that complex. Relativistic quantum theory or string theory can be expressed in English (plus math, while it's not like math wouldn't be needed in German) just fine, so I really don't understand where these…

It's not that English can't express some things at all, but that there are words in German that aren't neatly translated to a English word. Schadenfreude is one German word that's been brought over by a certain writer. It's the joy of seeing someone else's misfortune. That's six-words to express what German can do in one, and for a poet or a wordsmith, that just won't do. If you're dubbing a German TV show, how're yo…

That's not the argument that was made in the original post that I replied to. You explained those words in english just fine.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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You can, and probably should. Texts like Kant are borderline incomprehensible even to native Germans and seem to only serve the author's need for displaying their intelligence. The ideas they are conveying are not that complex. Relativistic quantum theory or string theory can be expressed in English (plus math, while it's not like math wouldn't be needed in German) just fine, so I really don't understand where these…

It's not that English can't express some things at all, but that there are words in German that aren't neatly translated to a English word. Schadenfreude is one German word that's been brought over by a certain writer. It's the joy of seeing someone else's misfortune. That's six-words to express what German can do in one, and for a poet or a wordsmith, that just won't do. If you're dubbing a German TV show, how're yo…

I think english has the blueprint to do the same. Worldpain damagejoyness careerangst etc

In german there are those wordwords but those are mostly already there and germans are not using this feature regularly to make up new words to describe things. But yes can be fun if one is doing it. The Fun of doing it ->i have fundoing

as someone pointed out, there are words that describe certain things way better in english then in german. anxiety and hypocrite is one of those that pop in my mind. There are translation for those but they arent used in the german day to day vocabulary

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Maybe it is a valid position to ask where the money for "get rich" comes from and if society would be different if it wasn't all about that money trickling upwards? Have you been to schools or nursing homes lately, having to let dear relatives go there?

Have been to any actual socialist country? Have experienced what scarcity means and what it feels like to be locked into your own country without a real chance of leaving until you reach retirement age?

I spent enough parts of my youth in one, to know, yes. I know how you adapt to the inevitable.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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You can, and probably should. Texts like Kant are borderline incomprehensible even to native Germans and seem to only serve the author's need for displaying their intelligence. The ideas they are conveying are not that complex. Relativistic quantum theory or string theory can be expressed in English (plus math, while it's not like math wouldn't be needed in German) just fine, so I really don't understand where these…

It's not that English can't express some things at all, but that there are words in German that aren't neatly translated to a English word. Schadenfreude is one German word that's been brought over by a certain writer. It's the joy of seeing someone else's misfortune. That's six-words to express what German can do in one, and for a poet or a wordsmith, that just won't do. If you're dubbing a German TV show, how're yo…

Actually, Schadenfreude can be neatly translated into a single English word: schadenfreude. English just adopts words that it lacks and (from a German perspective) it's not really special in that regard: We, too, have adopted words, like photography (spelled Fotographie in German) or folklore (original spelling retained) from English.
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