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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

endgame wrote: post #199
OhioMan2943 wrote: post #167

This is one of the things in my lifetime that gives me the most optimism, alongisde the IRA Bill. as someone in Australia who strongly supports our recent U16 ban, I hope META gets removed/broken up for you guys soon after, at least for underage users. I'm 22 and often wish I had never been born into a world with social media, with the belief that it is one of the worst things we have ever made as a species. I know t…

The problem with AU's U16 ban is that it's going to end up being a de facto real ID requirement for any Australian to communicate online. And also, how many of us on this site were able to learn and grow because they got online as teenagers and learned things? It would have been much, much better to regulate out the worst features of social media platforms for everyone than to pass a Bill that nobody knows how to imp…

I'm hoping it's a government or licensed third party provided anonymous token login system, or an email with a protected top level domain like anonymous@citizenverification.au or something.

De facto id will be a massive step backwards, if they move forward despite saying they most likely wouldn't, but not as far backwards as raising a generation on reactionary and divisive social media

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by jussaying2 »

wiseowise wrote: post #186
brookst wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours? You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. As soon as you find yourself arguing that you have no choice but to engage in the same behaviors you claim to dislike, you have literally become the enemy.

China soft invades minds of Western people under disguise of “freedom of speech”.

Well if that's the problem, then maybe address that, perhaps by teaching people critical thinking skills?

But teaching people to ask critical questions risks unraveling the fabric of American capitalism ("Hey why is it that the government spends more on healthcare per capita than any other OECD country but with markedly worse outcomes?", "How can we call ourselves the greatest nation on Earth when we are simultaneously the wealthiest nation on the planet and still have such poor health, education and quality of life indicators?"), so we can't have that can we?

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by wiseowise »

soheil wrote: post #124
supernetworks_ wrote: post #42

Americans can’t invest directly in Chinese companies and shouldn’t be obligated to host Chinese companies in their markets or be surprised when political whims ban them, since the lack of shared investment is political too. People clearly enjoy the content on there so the outcome is sad but it’s a complicated economic dynamic that is hard to grasp

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I do. West is being bombarded by disinformation that hides under “freedom of speech” umbrella.

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Post by ternnoburn »

xwowsersx wrote: post #178
incahoots wrote: post #159

This was always about running defense for the likes of Israel and it’s ongoing televised genocide…. This isn’t about national security, if it had been this would’ve never gotten as far as it has been, the door would’ve been closed long ago. TikTok and its algorithm isn’t beholden to the US’s government mandate like the other social media platforms. It also just happens to be the one with the largest amount of users a…

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Post by dqv »

iends wrote: post #176
jaimsam wrote: post #160

Too many elections are being influenced by the free exchange of ideas on TikTok -- best to shut it down if the U.S. corrupt government cannot control it. Who cares what the people think!?

It's not the free exchange of ideas if the CCP can put its thumb on the scale.

Right on, it's only a free exchange of ideas if US alphabet agencies can exclusively put their thumb on the scale.

The CCP's "influence" here is just letting content exist that would normally be suppressed on other platforms. Which, obviously, the US government doesn't like - do not intersperse the pro-US military content with anticapitalist rhetoric!!!

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Post by OWMYT »

solaarphunk wrote: post #106
wordofx wrote: post #84

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Literally does not matter. ByteDance is a Chinese company and beholden to the CCP.

Just like US companies are beholden to national security letters that can compel them to spy on non-US persons who may be users of their product?

Are you suggesting that only a "perfect" government gets to counter the Chinese government's attacks?

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by 0points »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #194
omnimus wrote: post #187

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This move unfortunately has nothing to do with harm of social media. Its purely about economical war with china. US is simply protecting its interests. So not only the ruling class in US doesnt care about the harms of social media. They are actively protecting the results - the profits and data/spying/control facebook brings. They will surely not limit or break up facebook unless it would result in getting more resul…

I know this, but there is still a massive net benefit for the youth, and I hope it opens the door to more social media scrutiny. People forget how relaxed life was before everyone could point a camera at someone and upload and embarass them in 10 seconds

Don't expect the world to change. On Jan 20, new office will start tearing up decisions.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by binary_slinger »

brookst wrote: post #172
mavelikara wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. Can you explain this better without the assumption that it is self-evident?

Sure. If censorship is wrong, then it is wrong. If censorship is just fine, the n it is just fine. It is the height of hypocrisy to engage in censorship in the name of stamping out censorship. It feels like a tautology because the opposing viewpoint is a very simple hypocrisy. If you don’t like something, don’t do it.

The world isn't black and white. It's very very gray.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by skwee357 »

I'm surprised it doesn't come from the EU. On the other hand, I'm not sure if this move is against short form content in general, but rather against China.

I wish the entire world would agree to ban short form content and influencer content in general. Things I saw on reels/shorts range from mild pornography, conspiracy theories, medical advice, promoting overconsumption, financial advice, etc. Nothing useful comes out of these platforms.

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Post by pixelatedindex »

jaimsam wrote: post #160

Too many elections are being influenced by the free exchange of ideas on TikTok -- best to shut it down if the U.S. corrupt government cannot control it. Who cares what the people think!?

Either you are being sarcastic or you forgot about the Cambridge Analytica incident. Elections can be influenced via the latest prevalent platform in a region. If it’s not TikTok, it’ll be Facebook / Instagram / YouTube.
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