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GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by genewitch »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #122
genewitch wrote: post #84

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Come experience it between my house and walmart before you go telling people they need to experience it. Good luck having good weather during your drive, here in louisiana. Self driving probably works great on Interstates with numbers like 5, 10, and the feeders. Based on my experiences with subaru self driving and watching videos and watching tesla drivers around here, a self driving car would give up after maybe 3…

Are you from Houston originally, by chance, or from a part of western Louisiana? Anytime I hear the word “feeder” it’s a dead giveaway the person either grew up near Houston area or hung around there long enough to use this word in their lexicon

Nope! I'm from the state where i had to consciously not type "the 5, the 10" - California. I've lived in Louisiana for 12 years, total, now, though. I couldn't think of a better name for like the 405 or 710 than "feeders" - maybe tributary; i know there is a term of art for those freeways, though.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by renewiltord »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #157
mensetmanusman wrote: post #150

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Business model enforced by the government.

And for good reason. The whole point of the regulation is to assure that there is someone nearby for the owner to get a vehicle repaired and be able to buy parts. ahem Guess what Tesla has a ton of problems with? Edit: there are a whole lot of people replying who seem unaware that I was referring to new car customers who have a vehicle which is broken under government-mandated warranties, but also that: - The majorit…

It is widely known in America that dealerships are the worst places for repairs and that c independent mechanics are generally better. I discovered this myself slowly over time.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by llamaimperative »

ivewonyoung wrote: post #198
jefftk wrote: post #186

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I'm very much aware of how Drive Pilot doesn't handle most cases: in my comment I described it as "super limited" and linked to where Mercedes describes the details. But within the range of cases where the Mercedes system is applicable (which recently went up to 59mph in Germany [1]) it's solidly better than the Tesla system because Mercedes did the engineering to make it reliable enough that you don't have to superv…

> If I had a highway commute in stop-and go traffic I'd be comfortable reading in a Mercedes It gets dark at 4:45PM in a good chunk of the western world in winter so it won't be useful then.

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Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by [deleted] »

genewitch wrote: post #78
Veserv wrote: post #54

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On a normalized basis in the USA? 1 fatality per ~4000-5000 years of driving. 1 injury per ~60-70 years of driving. Can you point to scientifically rigorous evidence, at least reaching the bare minimum of fit for publication, of the absolute level of safety of those systems and where they stand in comparison? How many people am I allowed to kill or injure before I need to run scientific studies on unproven and empiri…

This rebuttal is fine, i guess, but to answer your final question: At least 1645 deaths if your government is british. I forget the US numbers, but globally you can kill upwards of 30,000 people with unproven and empirically fatal technology.

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Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by nradov »

chrchr wrote: post #14
rgovostes wrote: post #3

> GM said in a statement that “... an increasingly competitive robotaxi market” were the reasons for the change. Isn't there basically Google/Waymo and then, seemingly much further behind, Tesla Cybertaxi, Amazon/Zoox, and Uber/Yandex? Cruise allegedly has one of the most sophisticated autonomous driving platforms, and GM's Super Cruise (if they share any tech) is comparable to Tesla FSD. Strange that they would bow…

It makes you wonder how much more effective U.S. auto makers might be without the regulation that requires them to sell through dealerships.

It's not a regulatory issue. There is no federal rule requiring automakers to sell through franchised dealers. Some states have such laws. In other states the automakers have voluntarily entered into contractual agreements that prevent them from competing with their franchised dealers.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by fastball »

chiph wrote: post #168
correlator wrote: post #77

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Wow that must have been a wild experience 10 years ago! Today, I think they should do this. It is rare I need to touch the wheel or pedal these days and people should experience it.

I test-drove a Model S about that time - it was hair-raising because the system would correct the cars position about a half-second after I would have. I hovered my hands by the wheel the whole time, waiting for it to careen us into a bridge abutment. While SuperCruise is a highway only system, riding in a friend's car with it was pretty much a non-event.

Are you comparing a system 10 years ago with a system now?

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by genewitch »

Veserv wrote: post #91
genewitch wrote: post #78

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This rebuttal is fine, i guess, but to answer your final question: At least 1645 deaths if your government is british. I forget the US numbers, but globally you can kill upwards of 30,000 people with unproven and empirically fatal technology.

Really, you are arguing that I get to kill 1645 in the UK before I have to show any scientifically rigorous evidence? I get to do 1645 drives and kill the passenger every time before anybody cares? That is not only insane, but empirically false in the USA as people cared very greatly about Cruise injuring people during the development process. You have to be answering the question: “Assuming we already know for a fac…

i wasn't commenting on your specific example of unproven and fatal technology, just answering the general question with a bit of snark.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by Digory »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #154
dangus wrote: post #149

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To be fair to GM, Tesla basically had to be a brand new auto company and work through a whole bunch of legal loopholes and battles just to have their direct sales model. GM and the rest of the legacy automakers are essentially bound to the dealership system and the dealerships represent a much larger lobbying base than the automakers themselves. We are seeing this play out with VW’s attempt to direct-sell Scout vehic…

GM and the other automakers should be lobbying to change the dealership laws then.

GM can’t match the lobbying power of local dealers in the state houses. Every state rep has a dealer or two in their district, and they employ staff who vote.

And, to be fair to the dealers, there is a long history of the makers trying to screw them over, and the public, too.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by fastball »

schiffern wrote: post #138
jedberg wrote: post #80

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Yeah 10 years ago it was a bit much. It was pretty much just lane keeping and distance keeping, but it didn't read signs or lights yet. So if you're coming up on a signal it would just keep going!

Quick, nobody tell them about cruise control. ;-) > Chrysler was the first manufacturer to implement the device in 1958. They called it “Auto-Pilot” and it appeared in their luxury model as an upgraded option. Soon after, General Motors installed it in their Cadillac vehicles, naming it “Cruise Control” which has stuck to this day. https://www.folsomautomall.com/blog/2022/november/21/the-his...

Not sure I understand your point.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by renewiltord »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #155
xnx wrote: post #9

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> Isn't there basically Google/Waymo and then, seemingly much further behind Yes. I think GM leadership has finally learned enough to realize how far behind they are.

Maybe in some small parts of the country. Tesla is dominating most everywhere else in the US. I definitely have no access to a Waymo but have been driven by FSD in heavy construction. (Do not own a Tesla myself).

I’ve fallen asleep alone in a Waymo on the way home. I don’t think you can do that yet in a Tesla.
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