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CT Scans of New vs. Used SawStop

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Re: CT Scans of New vs. Used SawStop

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Post by DannyBee »

danielheath wrote: post #197
stavros wrote: post #110

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Yes but there's no way for me to not be able to pull my hand back in a quarter of a second for that.

The world has a _lot_ of guys with seven fingers who used to believe they would never be so careless.

I used to have a house that backed up to a county park in Maryland. My shop was out back. I was working carefully at my sawstop (that is what I had back then), standing properly to the left of the kickback path and using a push stick and roller guides. I was just finishing a cut

A hawk decided to throw a dead animal at the window behind me hard enough to shatter it. I was startled and my hand moved enough for my palm to cross the top of the blade.

I would not have lost fingers most likely but it would have been very bad.

To your point accidents are not always foreseeable. Yeah some people work stupidly but plenty of times, It’s just random unexpected events.

Re: CT Scans of New vs. Used SawStop

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Post by op00to »

davesmylie wrote: post #27
op00to wrote: post #25

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What did you do that caused it to false trigger?

I sometimes mill my own lumber from windfall on my property - in the first instance somehow I managed to put a single piece of near green lumber (~40% moisture) in the same rack as some lumber I knew was dry. A few weeks later I needed some scrap for something, grabbed the piece closest on hand, pushed it into the blade and immediately triggered the wet wood alert and the blade spun down slowly. I knew that the wood…

Wow, fascinating. Thank you for sharing! I didn't think about the challenge wet wood can cause.

Re: CT Scans of New vs. Used SawStop

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Post by op00to »

bradly wrote: post #50
op00to wrote: post #25

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What did you do that caused it to false trigger?

I've triggered one by touching the blade too soon after it has stopped. There is a short delay between when the blade stops and when the brake is disabled. I've also had one trigger on a heavy miter through some gnarled 8/4 walnut.

oh man that stinks! what a bummer!

Re: CT Scans of New vs. Used SawStop

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Post by bradly »

lukaslalinsky wrote: post #68
mym1990 wrote: post #62

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Very beginner woodworker here, but dados(or any kind of groove are the ones that immediately come to mind. Essentially anything that has the work piece going over the blade, but not cutting through completely.

You can keep the riving knife for those cuts, it causes no issue. just can't use the blade guard. I honestly can't imagine a cut that would require the riving knife off.

Cove cuts.

Re: CT Scans of New vs. Used SawStop

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Post by Arainach »

jwr wrote: post #200
Arainach wrote: post #119

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They're very different tools, and neither is inherently safe. You can absolutely have kickback-like issues with a track saw if you're not careful when making plunge cuts, for instance. A track saw is more convenient and arguably safer when breaking down a huge piece of plywood. After that it's no table saw replacement. You can't easily do repeated cuts of identical stuff width, you can't work on small parts, you can'…

I regularly do repeated cuts of identical stuff width with my tracksaw, so I'm not sure why you'd think you can't easily do that. About the only thing the tracksaw is not good for are long cuts of narrow stock. And yes, dadoes, but I do those with a router and arguably you should not even try to do them with a table saw, unless you are trying to hurt yourself. Implying that because of the possibility of kickback a tr…

Track saws struggle with any repeated cuts.

I recently made a cutting board with many tiny pieces - 0.5" square, several hundred of them. With a table saw it's "run pieces through, rotate 90 degrees, run pieces through" - not fast but WAY faster than having to move the track saw every time, and that second cut is impossible with a track saw.

On a table saw I can do crosscuts. I barely ever use my miter saw (in favor of my crosscut sled on my table saw) unless I'm trying to keep the table saw fence positioned somewhere precise and need to make a crosscut in the middle of my workflow.

And speaking of the fence: The table saw is a precision instrument. The track saw is not. I set up my table saw fence once, eight years ago. I have never had to adjust it or look again. If I want something an inch thick I set the fence to an inch and make the cut and it is correct. I don't have to draw a line on my workpiece, measure, and make a mark. I don't need to measure the final piece with calipers to see if I got close enough to actually an inch. I can work quickly and efficiently.

Then there's bevels - am I going to buy a new rubber track guard for every different angle I want to cut, or am I just going to use my table saw and tilt the blade? If I want to be precise and always use a zero clearance insert, at least I can make those myself rather than having to buy rubber molding.

I own a fairly nice track saw (Festool TS55) and a pair of good-quality tracks for it. I own several expensive chunks of metal which profess to do things such as align the track at a 90 degree angle to my workpiece which I am unable to trust or even to get working consistently. I'm not talking "oh, this is 89.7 degrees", I'm talking "I can see with my eyes that's not square, guess I'll go get a combo square and a pencil".

I have owned devices such as the Kreg jig which aim to make it easier to do repeated rips with a circular or track saw and while if you don't own a table saw they're better than nothing, they're nowhere close to the precision, reliability, or ease of use of a table saw.

I love my track saw. I hate trying to pick up and manipulate 4x8' or 4x4' pieces of wood on the table saw and the track saw makes my life much easier - but that initial breaking down is all I ever use it for, because for every other task the table saw is dramatically better.

Re: CT Scans of New vs. Used SawStop

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Post by marcoeire »

miunau wrote: post #95
Freak_NL wrote: post #83

The question that bothers me whenever SawStop comes up: why does it appears as if this isn't much of a thing outside of the US? Or is it and I'm just not seeing it from my Dutch viewpoint? Does anyone know of anyone who has written about this discrepancy with some numbers (emergency room admissions, SawStop sales) backing it?

Sawstop wasn't available for purchase in the EU until last month. The only version that was available was the very expensive Festool table saw, though they are both from the same company. I'm currently waiting on my compact Sawstop to be shipped from the first batch.

Did you have a problem buying? I'm currently online trying to purchase but it's showing error stating no address has been provided
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