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If you look, you can find pie charts that make the point I'm making directly, so no, I don't think it's novel.
If I look, I can find pie charts demonstrating that the Moderna COVID vaccine provides 8 dB worse 5G reception than the Pfizer shot. So, yeah, you'll have to do a little better than that.
Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing
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Vermont, Colorado, Washington.
Interesting, tried Vermont but couldn’t find it (a 2015 single-payer effort, but not that), will look more later, I’d love to see what a state-level law at governments taking over hospitals and such even looks like, gotta be some weird reading and I have no idea how you’d write that such that it’d have a prayer of surviving court challenge—seize poor people’s houses to give to companies (or, on behalf of a company th…
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The same logic holds true for a an incel gunning down women or someone shooting up a church because they feel harmed.
that is nowhere near same logic :)
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I actually think the murderer would have been found and either arrested or killed for resisting arrest by now, were that the case. That the murderer, who killed someone in literal broad daylight on the sidewalk of one of the biggest cities in the world, is still on the loose speaks volumes to me about all sorts of things.
It speaks volumes as to how incompetent the NYPD is. NYC is one of the most policed cities with the most cameras constantly watching people, and the fact that a crime like this can happen in broad daylight and the perpetrator can remain a ghost is an indictment of that whole dystopian atmosphere and system
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maybe so but it's definitely cathartic and that counts for something
I dont think it counts for something good. I think it is giving in to one of the worst possible aspects of humanity. Like people cheering at a lynching.
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#206It's mostly not rational. For instance, much of the conversation over the last day has been about Anthem pushing back on anesthesiology pay on the East Coast. That's people angry about their insurers working to make surgeries cost less by employing the literal guideline Medicare uses, and yet people online were overtly suggesting Anthem's CEO be murdered over it. Incoherent. This won't win me any points in this parti…
I'm honestly not sure if I should attribute this comment to disingenuity, ignorance or just bad faith. > pushing back on anesthesiology pay on the East Coast. Not even close. BCBS was just pushing extra charges onto patients. > insurers working to make surgeries cost less This is laughably ill-informed, I don't know where to begin. The only thing insurers are doing is increasing the gap between what they collect and…
we like to think we are just da best at everything
after all, I sometimes read about people coming to the US for care so it must be better?
Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing
#207It's mostly not rational. For instance, much of the conversation over the last day has been about Anthem pushing back on anesthesiology pay on the East Coast. That's people angry about their insurers working to make surgeries cost less by employing the literal guideline Medicare uses, and yet people online were overtly suggesting Anthem's CEO be murdered over it. Incoherent. This won't win me any points in this parti…
You sure about that? Show me one theory of change where the oppressed somehow rise above without violence? Even the groundwork for Ghandi's peaceful protest were laid by a strong anti-colonial military force that led assassinations of British military officers. You think Britain left because Ghandi said some profound things and changed their minds? The official position was that continued occupation of India would be met by violent resistance and they retreated.
There have been many many examples throughout history of oppressed people rising up with violence against their oppressors. The majority of the substantial changes in culture happen this way - things reach a boiling point and it spills out on the streets.
I'm not saying mob justice is an ethical or principled way to instill change. But historically it has been extremely successful.
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>What I do find disappointing is the lack of concern This is (was) the CEO of the largest health insurer in the country which has shown a lack of concern for paying out insurance or securing data both private and medical. Their data leak this year is second only to National Public Data's leak (also this year) of practically every single SSN on the planet and arguably worse because their leak also contains medical dat…
> this guy is also about the most unsympathizable man in the country. There's no way that is true. It's only remotely possibly true if you're only talking about people who at least nominally obey the rules and laws of society. You don't actually think that he was worse than a murderer, or a rapist, or a child abuser, of which we have many, many thousands in this country.
The acts of Murders, rapist, and child abusers are far more heinous than health insurance CEOs. However, I would argue the magnitude of damage is larger from the decisions of health care CEOs.
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that is nowhere near same logic :)
It's exactly the same logic. You can't just take your own set of issues, say you're obviously right about everything, and then factor out everybody else's big issues. If you make a consequentialist argument for murdering insurance executives, other people do in fact get to use the same moral logic to stop things you disagree with them about, like gender-affirming care and abortion.
jokes aside, I am not saying this tragedy was justified in any way but we are not talking here about “opinions” and “religion” for sure
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> this guy is also about the most unsympathizable man in the country. There's no way that is true. It's only remotely possibly true if you're only talking about people who at least nominally obey the rules and laws of society. You don't actually think that he was worse than a murderer, or a rapist, or a child abuser, of which we have many, many thousands in this country.
When deciding who deserves my scorn, I genuinely do put those who are in power and commit atrocities at scale (like healthcare CEOs) above one-off violent criminals. Even if you’re a few levels removed from the deaths you’ve caused, you still have blood on your hands imo.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.