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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by toolz »

aurareturn wrote: post #67
bloomingkales wrote: post #32

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Up there with gravity and shit. I wish we could do something with this information, but alas, knowledge isnt power. Cersei Lannister: Power is power.

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Who is that virtual enemy for the US?

I would say it's most people. Just look at how many genuine comments (of course I've seen non-genuine comments as well) getting downvoted here. There are far too many people who deem it unacceptable to state certain opinions and I wouldn't be surprised if people on both sides of the political spectrum read this and confidently presume it's the opinions on the other side that are at fault.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by root_axis »

ninalanyon wrote: post #117
cuuupid wrote: post #4

Can someone ELI5 if this is a huge deal (like declaring martial law would be in the west), or if this is the equivalent of a "government shutdown" when similar budget impasses occur in the US?

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> Using the army instead of the police to do the enforcement seems like a relatively small step.

The practical and political differences between a state of emergency and martial law is massive. Not to mention, the lockdowns were driven by a global health crisis, not a political struggle. They're not even close to similar.

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Post by paulryanrogers »

bilbo0s wrote: post #138
samsonradu wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The enemy within? https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-enemies-from-within-...

Yep. Pretty much everyone. Only difference in which enemy is pointed to, is who you ask.

Some are more objectively real threats than others. Like that guy who claims to only want to be dictator for a day, who sent an armed mob to storm the Capital building, pardoned cronies and war criminals, and brags about walking in on women naked.

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Post by jonwinstanley »

wruza wrote: post #90
dtquad wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Very low trust in politicians after it was revealed former president Park Geun-hye was secretly a crypto-Christian cult member despite claiming to be atheist. 2. South Korea has a bizarre large-scale "gender war" going on that extents into mainstream society. Imagine the Western online MRA/redpill/incel vs. radfem circles but as core identities in national politics. For some reason a high-trust society has decided…

crypto-Christian cult Had to look that up and wasn’t disappointed…

Seemingly nothing to do with Bitcoin either :-)

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Post by giraffe_lady »

bluGill wrote: post #77
drdrek wrote: post #12

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Ask me in 200 years when I can look back in history and see how this turned out. It could be either, or just another case of something happening that didn't mean anything long term. Only time will tell. Of course in 200 years we will both be dead so you can't actually ask. Depending on how long you live you might be able to look back and state something conclusive. However nothing should be stated at all for 10 years…

A few years ago I accompanied a friend to a talk by an academic historian, for other academic historians, about the period between the world wars. The presenter made a joke like "it's hard to say when precisely world war 2 broke out, but we know world war 3 began in 1914."

It took me a minute to get it but the audience responded very well! There was professionally appropriate chortling but a lot of nodding also.

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Post by coldtea »

aurareturn wrote: post #67
bloomingkales wrote: post #32

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Up there with gravity and shit. I wish we could do something with this information, but alas, knowledge isnt power. Cersei Lannister: Power is power.

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Who is that virtual enemy for the US?

Depends on the year, it changes every decade or so, sometimes sooner.

And often it's the very people and organizations supported and lauded as allies and/or freedom fighters and lauded a few years earlier (like Shaddam or the Taliban).

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by bilbo0s »

tankenmate wrote: post #122
petesergeant wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> only hope Westerners don't get fooled by the rhetoric This AP article is written very unsympathetically towards him

Maybe declaring martial law when there isn't a violent overthrow of the government in progress doesn't really garner much sympathy.

He's being "oppressed" by all the "enemies of South Korea" out there engaging in the newly anti-South Korean practices of "reason and logic".

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by poszlem »

drdrek wrote: post #12

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We ARE in WW3's prologue if not in the war itself, even if nothing major kicks off right now. The world's seeing this major power shuffle - US losing its grip while China keeps gaining ground. Both the US and Russia are trying to tear down the international system the US built after WWII, while China and Europe are holding onto it like a life raft. Even if today's tensions fade, this fundamental clash isn't going anywhere. We have a major war in Europe right now.

A reminder: World War II had different start dates for different nations - July 7, 1937 for Japan (invasion of China), September 1, 1939 for Europe (German invasion of Poland), and June 22, 1941 for Russia (Operation Barbarossa). Similarly, World War III may mark different start dates - for Ukraine, it will be 2022.

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Post by cyp0633 »

sneak wrote: post #177
aurareturn wrote: post #151

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Eight replies to my post and no one has mentioned China yet. Has China been accepted as a "real" enemy? To me, China is the main virtual enemy that politicians trout out to create fear and distraction.

It’s a hedge for ifwhen things get difficult over Taiwan. The USA without cheap Chinese manufacturing is basically dead in the water. It is approximately unfathomable how much of the comfortable and cheap way of life enjoyed in the US is directly dependent on trade with China and mindbendingly cheap Chinese manufacturing labor. The ~most valuable company in the country is 100% beholden to Chinese manufacturing to mak…

Not gonna happen in recent years, I suppose. PRC also needs US-designed and/or Taiwan-manufactured advanced chips. The possibility of war will ever decrease as long as more and more people wake up to the consequences.
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