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Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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I'm sure the CIA already has access. [1] People were raising privacy concerns years ago. [2] [1] https://www.networkworld.com/article/953621/the-cia-nsa-and-... [2] https://kotaku.com/the-creators-of-pokemon-go-mapped-the-wor...

Google maps has more data than PGO could ever hope to have.

But you only use Maps when you need directions.

Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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post #193

We do this at [name redacted as this was a joke]. When users scan their barcode, the preview window is zoomed in so users think its mostly barcode. We actually get quite a bit more background noise typically of a fridge, supermarket aisle, pantry etc. but it is sent across to us, stored, and trained on. Within the next year we will have a pretty good idea of the average pantry, fridge, supermarket aisle. Who knows wh…

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Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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post #193

We do this at [name redacted as this was a joke]. When users scan their barcode, the preview window is zoomed in so users think its mostly barcode. We actually get quite a bit more background noise typically of a fridge, supermarket aisle, pantry etc. but it is sent across to us, stored, and trained on. Within the next year we will have a pretty good idea of the average pantry, fridge, supermarket aisle. Who knows wh…

This is outrageously unethical. Someone scanning a barcode would have every reason to think that the code was being parsed locally on their phone. There would be no reason to upload an entire photo to read a barcode. Beyond which, not even alerting the user visually that their camera is picking up background stuff???

What if it's on their desk and there are sensitive legal documents next to it? How are you safeguarding all that private data? You could well be illegally in possession of classified documents, unconsenting nudes, all kinds of stuff. And it sounds like it's not even encrypted.

Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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post #20

This is pretty cool, but I feel as a pokehunter (Pokemon Go player), I have been tricked into working to contribute training data so that they can profit off my labor. How? They consistently incentivize you to scan pokestops (physical locations) through "research tasks" and give you some useful items as rewards. The effort is usually much more significant than what you get in return, so I have stopped doing it. It's…

Imagine how those of us who played Ingress (Niantic's first game) feel... We were tricked into contributing location data for the game we loved, only to see it reused for the far more popular (and profitable) Pokemon Go.

I didn't feel tricked. Still don't.

They were pretty up-front about it bring a technology demo for a game engine they were building. It was obvious from the start that they would build future games on the same platform.

Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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post #193

We do this at [name redacted as this was a joke]. When users scan their barcode, the preview window is zoomed in so users think its mostly barcode. We actually get quite a bit more background noise typically of a fridge, supermarket aisle, pantry etc. but it is sent across to us, stored, and trained on. Within the next year we will have a pretty good idea of the average pantry, fridge, supermarket aisle. Who knows wh…

Was here before comment got removed!

Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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post #193

We do this at [name redacted as this was a joke]. When users scan their barcode, the preview window is zoomed in so users think its mostly barcode. We actually get quite a bit more background noise typically of a fridge, supermarket aisle, pantry etc. but it is sent across to us, stored, and trained on. Within the next year we will have a pretty good idea of the average pantry, fridge, supermarket aisle. Who knows wh…

I’d be interested in how your privacy policy allows this. I can’t find where it mentions photos are stored or used for training purposes…

I would be more interested on why you believe something like this isn't baked into most privacy policies.

I'm not shocked but I'm shocked you are shocked.

Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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post #193

We do this at [name redacted as this was a joke]. When users scan their barcode, the preview window is zoomed in so users think its mostly barcode. We actually get quite a bit more background noise typically of a fridge, supermarket aisle, pantry etc. but it is sent across to us, stored, and trained on. Within the next year we will have a pretty good idea of the average pantry, fridge, supermarket aisle. Who knows wh…

Holy shit thats some big whistleblowing if true

Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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post #193

We do this at [name redacted as this was a joke]. When users scan their barcode, the preview window is zoomed in so users think its mostly barcode. We actually get quite a bit more background noise typically of a fridge, supermarket aisle, pantry etc. but it is sent across to us, stored, and trained on. Within the next year we will have a pretty good idea of the average pantry, fridge, supermarket aisle. Who knows wh…

Whoa, that's a p crazy admission. Is this known publicly?

I am just assuming the post was sarcasm and the user doesn’t work there.

Otherwise, someone is FIRED

Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been saying this about Google Maps for years, especially their vast collection of public transport loading data and real time road speeds. People are duped into thinking they’re doing some “greater good” by completing the in-app surveys and yet the data they give back is for Google’s exclusive use and, in fact, deepens their moat.

IIRC Google maps basically does not make money. I wonder if there can be a government deal to subsidize it on the condition that the data be open sourced.

Google maps would if it sold the data to Google. My guess is there is a line item for that or at least on paper for tax purposes.

Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google actually has released weights for some of their models, but judging by the fact that this model is potentially valuable, they likely will not allow Niantic for this which is totally unfair, every niantic player should have access to all the stuff because they collectively made it

> which is totally unfair, every niantic player should have access to all the stuff because they collectively made it I don't understand this perspective. While all players may have collectively made this model possible, no individual player could make a model like it based on their contributions alone. Since no single player could replicate this outcome based on only their data, does it not imply that there's value…

> Is a farmer entitled to the entirety of your work output because you ate a vegetable grown on their farm?

This is more like paying the farmhands.

If we're looking at my work output, eh, everyone that works on a copyrighted thing gets a personal license to it? That sounds like it would work out okay.

> I don't think producers of data are inherently entitled to all products produced from said data.

It depends on how directly the data is tied to the output. This seems pretty direct.

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