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I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by akimbostrawman »

RobMurray wrote: post #74

I am also blind. hCaptcha is the worst. Their stupid cookie expires so I have to go through their getting an email to set the cookie almost every time I encounter one. It's a horrendous UX, especially when using different devices and browsers. I imagine others just give up instead of dealing with the crap. They shouldn't use the word accessibility when their whole service is the exact opposite. The bots can probably…

i have the complete opposite experience. im not blind but i use tor. vpns and non spyware browser which is probably worse lol google captcha most of the time sends me into a loop that does not stop and always fails regardless how right i am for +3 minutes. meanwhile hcapcha lets me pass if i simply correctly fill out 1-3 captchas.

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by bredren »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #183
jachee wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a squares/rectangles issue. Scooters are cycles that have motors, and are thus motorcycles in the most-inclusive definition of such.

FWIW, I went out looking for a better category (something more like "two-wheeler" but without the engine), and discovered that Wikipedia actually agrees that scooters are motorcycles .

Scooters are arguably more like traditional motorcycles than ebikes.

Reminds me of this scene from Police Academy 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cil6HFXlccw

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by jprete »

j-bos wrote: post #179
jchw wrote: post #41

I hope we can end the CAPTCHA experiment soon. It didn't work. Phone verification isn't good either, but for as much as I hate phone verification at least it actually raises the cost of spamming somewhat. CAPTCHA does not. Almost all turnkey CAPTCHA services can be solved for pennies. Solving the problems of SPAM and malicious traffic will be challenging... I am worried it will come down to three possible things: - A…

Feels like another option would be to bootstrap off of authenticated users, some sort of reputation system. It would still allow for anonymous users, but the expectation would be that they would be treated as suspected spam unless they receive sufficient endorsement from actual verified users. The verified users could be held accountable for the endorsements they provide up to a certain point, and the anonymous users…

The endorsement and verification would need to be continuous, or else the anonymous users will sell their accounts for the value of the accrued positive reputation. I.e. what people already do with Reddit accounts that accrue a lot of karma.

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by jrockway »

dizhn wrote: post #53
Rastonbury wrote: post #14

Some captchas are getting pretty discriminatory, not everyone lives in the West and can identify the objects they are asking you to. Another recent one sticks out where they asked me to pick a shape as the same number of conoids on screen. If you ask people on a street what a conoids I bet a significant amount will give you blank looks Also at least now I know some people call those markings crosswalks

I routinely have problems with closeup images. To this day I don't know how much of the object I should be selecting? Also what is a traffic light? Is the pole part of it or not? Motorcycles seem to be hard too. Once it showed me a picture of steps nothing but steps. I think I marked like 15 boxes.

I'm never that consistent and usually get through. I think they are looking at things like mouse acceleration, smoothness, etc. rather than the actual answer to the questions.

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by itishappy »

Toorkit wrote: post #152
ta1243 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well yes, how else do you get the mail?

Those are called Vans.

Oh, vans! Of course, who could mistake those?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_van

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_utility_van

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by j-bos »

jprete wrote: post #203
j-bos wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feels like another option would be to bootstrap off of authenticated users, some sort of reputation system. It would still allow for anonymous users, but the expectation would be that they would be treated as suspected spam unless they receive sufficient endorsement from actual verified users. The verified users could be held accountable for the endorsements they provide up to a certain point, and the anonymous users…

The endorsement and verification would need to be continuous, or else the anonymous users will sell their accounts for the value of the accrued positive reputation. I.e. what people already do with Reddit accounts that accrue a lot of karma.

Good point

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by blindgeek »

miki123211 wrote: post #180

As a blind person, I genuinely believe that hCaptcha, being as terrible as it is, is still the best solution among the ones that we can physically achieve in the world as it exists right now. Audio captchas don't work for people with hearing issues and/or who don't speak your n supported languages, where n is usually Even for people for whom they do work, it's worth keeping in mind that bots can solve them by now, an…

> and getting all your semi-public records and social media activity immediately > scraped by shady companies and sold to anybody who expresses any interest.

Public content on the Internet should be scrapable. That's what public means.

The fact that my reddit posts were publicly available never bothered me. Even if they were going to be used to train some LMM. What does bother me is reddit locking up my posts and making exclusive deals with Google to train Google's LMM.

Preventing scraping isn't good for the average user; it is good for the company that wants to take content created by said user, lock it up, and sell it to their buddies.

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by alex7o »

slater wrote: post #39
ta1243 wrote: post #22

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Sorry I live in the west, what's a "crosswalk" Did you mean to say > not everyone lives in the USA Other things I don't have a clue about - a fire hydrant, yellow taxis, yellow buses (Obviously I do, because of American cultural imperialism through things like Captchas which mean the world has to understand American cultural touchstones)

Please enter your five-digit ZIP code

SE1 9QN is my postcode what 5 number?

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by sundarurfriend »

Rastonbury wrote: post #14

Some captchas are getting pretty discriminatory, not everyone lives in the West and can identify the objects they are asking you to. Another recent one sticks out where they asked me to pick a shape as the same number of conoids on screen. If you ask people on a street what a conoids I bet a significant amount will give you blank looks Also at least now I know some people call those markings crosswalks

Avoiding this is what made hCaptcha popular among a lot of users in the first place. reCaptcha has always been guilty of this, and it doesn't seem like they're taking any steps to improve this US-centred definition of humanity. hCaptcha gave much more general and neutral puzzles that made a lot of people (including me) give a sigh of relief when they encountered a CAPTCHA and it was h and not re.

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Post by whartung »

salviati wrote: post #130
SirMaster wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CAPTCHA definitely works in some cases. On our website, without CAPTCHA we get dozens of forms filled out by bots per day. With the CAPTCHA we get 0. So sure it may be cheap to defeat the CAPTCHA, but nobody seems to be willing to go through that small hoop to do it on our website.

I believe that 0 will be a higher number next year. And an even higher the following year.

Even in a year, I don't think random AI will be "cheap" enough for spamming CAPTCHA on random websites. Maybe for select, ripe targets (your bank, etc.). But for a random business with a form?

Nah.

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