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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by sshine »

stego-tech wrote: post #92
bunderbunder wrote: post #50

I'd love to see some sort of multiple regression or ANOVA on this, instead of singling out a single variable. Is car brand really the best independent predictor? Or is it specific design decisions you tend to see in certain brands? (Like, say, maximizing driver distraction by consolidating a bunch of essential controls and information displays into a touchscreen display that's really difficult to operate when it's su…

I mean, even lacking proper scientific data, ask yourself how often your brain “autocompletes” someone based on a brand or object? There’s a reason advertisers spend so much money and effort cultivating a very specific customer image: it works . In the case of Tesla - and I cannot overstress enough how much lf this is purely subjective conjecture on my part and not a statement of fact - the image cultivated by the co…

> The people who relate to that brand would, I would think, be more likely to flout laws like speed limits, failing to use indicators for turns or merges, and drive more aggressively than a brand that emphasizes safety or enjoyment of experience

And BMW owners like German shepherds?

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by vegadw »

bilsbie wrote: post #136

I’m really confused. A major reason I bought one was because I heard they were so safe.

I think they probably are when not using "autopilot" as others are commenting, this isn't cause. It's likely that the brand attracts a kind of driver that likes to speed or that wants to over rely on assisted driving tech that isn't there yet.

That said, I suspect they're regressing, like how they removed ultrasonic sensors which are a dime a dozen to only rely on computer vision. That's just plain stupid, IMHO.

For the money, I think you can do much better than a Tesla in many regards, but I'm not about to shame you for reading marketing and believing it either, especially if it was pre the current Musk hell and the general knowledge that he's essentially a fraudster given the perpetual 1 year away for autopilot and what not.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by bitzun »

hagbard_c wrote: post #188
notyourwork wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

You are not alone in this sentiment. It is beyond the pale that the denizens of a 'hacker forum' are often so narrow-minded when it comes to engaging those who think outside of the personal zone of ideological preference. The same people who have been yammering about the importance of 'diversity' are dead set against diversity of opinion. Grow up, folks, get outside your comfort zone and engage some of those deplorab…

I don't think GP was talking about ordinary people, they were making a comment about a politician's declared plans.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by soerxpso »

stego-tech wrote: post #92
bunderbunder wrote: post #50

I'd love to see some sort of multiple regression or ANOVA on this, instead of singling out a single variable. Is car brand really the best independent predictor? Or is it specific design decisions you tend to see in certain brands? (Like, say, maximizing driver distraction by consolidating a bunch of essential controls and information displays into a touchscreen display that's really difficult to operate when it's su…

I mean, even lacking proper scientific data, ask yourself how often your brain “autocompletes” someone based on a brand or object? There’s a reason advertisers spend so much money and effort cultivating a very specific customer image: it works . In the case of Tesla - and I cannot overstress enough how much lf this is purely subjective conjecture on my part and not a statement of fact - the image cultivated by the co…

This was my thought as well from looking at the actual list. Of the top 5 models with the worst fatal accident rate, 2 are luxury cars that seem like they'd attract drivers with reckless personalities (the Chevrolet Corvette and the Porsche 911). I don't think the average mile driven in a Corvette is really equivalent to the average mile driven in a Honda Civic.

This data is interesting, but not really useful for decisionmaking if we can't isolate the extent to which the disparities are caused by features of the actual vehicle, as opposed to driver selection factors.

Is anyone making an argument that the Model Y has an actual safety problem in its design? I'd like to hear about which physical aspect of the car people think is making it 4x less safe than the average car? I don't see anything obvious. Its crash test performance is fine. I'd hesitate to blame autopilot, since we know that they crash less often with autopilot enabled than without (even if due to selection factors).

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by yakz »

caekislove wrote: post #149
notyourwork wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

They are like this literally any time a Republican is in the White House. They were like this when Dubya was President too, even though today they act like he's some sort of elder statesman just because he hates Trump.

What? Dubya was selected by the Supreme Court. He started a war after peddling bullshit evidence in front of the whole world. Dubya was and is a piece of shit.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by jvanderbot »

aziaziazi wrote: post #195
bunderbunder wrote: post #50

I'd love to see some sort of multiple regression or ANOVA on this, instead of singling out a single variable. Is car brand really the best independent predictor? Or is it specific design decisions you tend to see in certain brands? (Like, say, maximizing driver distraction by consolidating a bunch of essential controls and information displays into a touchscreen display that's really difficult to operate when it's su…

> essential controls Can’t you drive a Tesla without it? I expect the screen was for radio, gps, AC… I agree those are distracting through.

Rent a Tesla and try to adjust the mirrors while driving I dare you.

Less difficult but much more common:

Change the radio station / music.

Change the climate control.

Both of those require taking your eyes off the road and navigating through multiple touch screen-only modal windows. I have owned one for years and it is a distraction factory.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by jvandonsel »

legitster wrote: post #3

In a big picture, this makes sense. You can load the cars with safety features, but it doesn't change the fact that these cars are very heavy, very fast, and loaded with features that reward distracted driving. In the US at least, the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road.

Simple solution. Cut down all the trees on the side of the road.

You’re welcome.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by whitej125 »

> Tesla vehicles have a fatal crash rate of 5.6 per billion miles driven, according to the study;

> So, why are Teslas — and many other ostensibly safe cars on the list — involved in so many fatal crashes? “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities,”

What is the nature of those miles driven by each brand? I've got to imagine that pure-EV companies like Tesla are predominantly driven in urban/city driving (shorter daily distances, more traffic, etc). In contrast to ICE cars which can rack up lots of miles on long trips.

1 billion Tesla miles I suspect looks different than 1 billion Ford miles.

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Post by rightbyte »

jiggawatts wrote: post #181
zer8k wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These people have been inundated with the drivel of a billion dollar propaganda machine run by the most expensive campaign in history. It's gonna take a while before they're back to normal again. I've heard so many "office of government efficiency" jokes in the last week I am tired of it too. But, in their defense if all you hear is how this administration is going to be the fourth reich (lol), destroy the country (l…

Elon chose the name to be a joke. You’re accusing the wrong side for making a mockery of government institutions.

It is a Doge coin joke, right?

edit: But then again P.A.T.R.I.O.T act etc is a thing so hard to tell if actual joke or just going with how US politicians like to be witty while naming stuff.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by MBCook »

mattlondon wrote: post #6

> Karl Brauer said in the report. “A focused, alert driver, traveling at a legal or prudent speed, without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, is the most likely to arrive safely regardless of the vehicle they’re driving.” ... implication being that Tesla drivers are more likely to be driving like pricks and/or under the influence? I wonder what the rates are like for specific models from other brands that…

> ... implication being that Tesla drivers are more likely to be driving like pricks and/or under the influence?

Or perhaps the large amount of power available instantly makes it easier to get into dangerous situations than an equivalent to combustion engine car. And as the largest EV brand with the most data available… they really stand out.

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