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Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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While I appreciate your workarounds, the issue is not fixed. Almost everyone is going to keep clicking these stupid banners. It’s not okay, it’s not fixed until the rules are adjusted and we have less tracking and’s less pointless banners.

You're right, but I can't fix that. What I can do is help HN readers who didn't know about that filter list. Maybe they can help the people they know.

I’m happy! I didn’t know about it! Thx

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Around the time this started, Google was going to penalize sites in its search ranking if they greeted users with an obtrusive popup. I thought that would strongly discourage cookie banners but then suddenly there was an explosion of stupid popups everywhere - newsletter signups, cookie banners, "special offers", overlaid ads, etc. I guess Google never did that thing?

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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People blame the cookie banners themselves or the legislation that "made them necessary" but somehow never seem to blame the web companies for doing the naughty things on their websites that make them subject to the law. The "cookie banner problem" exists because it's primarily end users that are shouldering the burden of them, and not the companies. For the company, it's a one time JIRA ticket for a junior software…

This is it. This isn't the EU's fault and the post isn't quantifying the benefit of requiring explicit consent in these banners. It's all about efficiency and productivity as if it's all that matters in the world. It doesn't care about users' right to privacy or their right to control their own data.

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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post #66

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If they're doing that after you clicked Deny, the government can come down hard on them. Sadly, only the government - individuals can't sue companies for GDPR violations.

Article 79 [1] gives individuals a right to sue for GDPR violations. [1] https://gdpr-info.eu/art-79-gdpr/

One of my favourite HN threads is Confiks exercising his GDPR rights under the threat of litigation against Spotify: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24764371

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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post #182

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They do already, and big companies have already been fined for not offering them, which led to some smaller parties adding them. See here [0] for a list, amongst which was Microsoft getting a $65 million fine for not having an easy opt-out on Bing, or $162 million to Google for the same thing. Noncompliance should be reported. [0] https://www.cookieyes.com/blog/cookie-consent-fines/

Everyone should just geo block EU visitors instead.

Yeah, fuck everybody else's privacy. /s Why are you like this?

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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post #66

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If they're doing that after you clicked Deny, the government can come down hard on them. Sadly, only the government - individuals can't sue companies for GDPR violations.

Legitimate interest checkboxes are technically not asking for consent, they are considered informational. OneTrust popups are especially inflammatory in this regard.

Legitimate interest can absolutely be opted-out of:

(f) processing is necessary for the purposes of the legitimate interests pursued by the controller or by a third party, except where such interests are overridden by the interests or fundamental rights and freedoms of the data subject which require protection of personal data, in particular where the data subject is a child.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/oj#006.001

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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“Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by companies implementing dark patterns in order to extort used consent

FTFY

And you could add an analysis of the productivity cost of those “Subscribe to out newsletter” and “The experience is better on the app” pop-ups please?

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Legitimate interest checkboxes are technically not asking for consent, they are considered informational. OneTrust popups are especially inflammatory in this regard.

Legitimate interest can absolutely be opted-out of: (f) processing is necessary for the purposes of the legitimate interests pursued by the controller or by a third party, except where such interests are overridden by the interests or fundamental rights and freedoms of the data subject which require protection of personal data, in particular where the data subject is a child. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/67…

Yes, by unchecking the 973 hidden checkboxes.

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

#209

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While I appreciate your workarounds, the issue is not fixed. Almost everyone is going to keep clicking these stupid banners. It’s not okay, it’s not fixed until the rules are adjusted and we have less tracking and’s less pointless banners.

So remove the consent exception against tracking? Simply make it illegal, banner or no?

Do Not Track header? It's the silver bullet but the stakeholders will argue it is invalid and cannot possibly be used to inform the server that the client wishes not to be tracked
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