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Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

FigurativeVoid wrote: post #67

When the pandemic started, I really enjoyed the podcast. They seemed to have some good insights, and I found them funny. It was a vibe that I sorely missed being home alone. If one them sees this, I hope they take it kindly. The podcast has gone downhill drastically. The level of discourse has dropped considerably. They make all sorts of claims with very little evidence. Recently they have all agreed that voter ID la…

I agree completely. It was a fun listen a few years ago. One day I realized it was rarely ever fun or insightful anymore.

It's totally subjective but David Sacks lost me completely around the time Ukraine was invaded. That's roughly when I gave up on the podcast. He had major I'm Very Smart syndrome and it seemed almost hair-raisingly embarrassing that anyone took him seriously. To each their own, though. I know a lot of people respect his opinions.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by tacitusarc »

“ In my first and only 15 minutes of watching, Chamath’s confidence in making this false claim, coupled with his co-hosts’ complete lack of critical pushback, suggests to me that these kinds of mistakes happen often enough to where these guys’ content isn’t worth consuming.”

This is what I call “anti-credibility.” Where credibility increases the likelihood of belief in subsequent claims, anti-credibility increases the belief that subsequent claims are false. This is subtly distinct from decreasing the likelihood of belief, which would merely result in more skepticism: You say “A is true”, so folks think “A might not be true.” Anti-credibility means if you state “A is true” people think, “oh, A is false.”

This phenomenon has played a large role in politics and social movements over the past several years.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by tacitusarc »

27153 wrote: post #166
starwin1159 wrote: post #150

What other podcasts are worth listening to?

Ezra Klein

I have listened to a lot of Ezra Klein over the years- like, a LOT.

And I believe he is one of the scummiest people in journalism. There are very, very few people I think are genuinely malicious and entirely self interested, but he is one.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by Lienetic »

tacitusarc wrote: post #203
27153 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ezra Klein

I have listened to a lot of Ezra Klein over the years- like, a LOT. And I believe he is one of the scummiest people in journalism. There are very, very few people I think are genuinely malicious and entirely self interested, but he is one.

I have not listened to him - can you explain a bit for the uninformed among us?

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by throwaway-blaze »

Melting_Harps wrote: post #168
seattleeng wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re exactly right, it’s a show for insiders to know what these 4 people think so the next time they directly or indirectly encounter them they are known quantities. Its masked as news & informative media but its principally brand marketing for these 4 people and their funds & companies.

> I think you’re exactly right, it’s a show for insiders to know what these 4 people think so the next time they directly or indirectly encounter them they are known quantities. Its masked as news & informative media but its principally brand marketing for these 4 people and their funds & companies. I use it as a 'weight' of sorts when dealing with topics i know about, mainly Bitcoin and AI since I'm involved both th…

You can say you don't care for Elon for a thousand reasons, but you lose credibility if you call the guy who is leading multiple companies that are crushing it in their respective fields an "incompetent fraud".

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by throwaway-blaze »

eschaton wrote: post #158
flappyeagle wrote: post #156

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Are we sure the effect will be what we assume? Don’t democrats skew more educated and higher income at this point

Yes, because it’s not “Democrats” that the far right wants to prevent from voting, it’s anyone poor or from an ethnic minority, who often happen not to have as much access to a DMV or other facility in which they can obtain an ID. Elsewhere in the thread is mentioned the predominantly-Black county that has a DMV only open one day a month. Why do you think that is?

You really think poor people and minorities don't have IDs? They must never interact with any form of government or finance that ever needs an ID.

This is a massive trope some people bring up all the time. Please show credible data that this is true and I'll happily admit I'm wrong.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by 27153 »

tacitusarc wrote: post #203
27153 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ezra Klein

I have listened to a lot of Ezra Klein over the years- like, a LOT. And I believe he is one of the scummiest people in journalism. There are very, very few people I think are genuinely malicious and entirely self interested, but he is one.

Would love to hear why you think this. Couldn’t disagree more at first glance. He feels like a breathe of sanity and rationality in a crazy political world.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by throwaway-blaze »

capitalbreeze wrote: post #112
FigurativeVoid wrote: post #67

When the pandemic started, I really enjoyed the podcast. They seemed to have some good insights, and I found them funny. It was a vibe that I sorely missed being home alone. If one them sees this, I hope they take it kindly. The podcast has gone downhill drastically. The level of discourse has dropped considerably. They make all sorts of claims with very little evidence. Recently they have all agreed that voter ID la…

Crazy no one talks about how the argument against voter ID is that IDs cost money, $90 in Washington. This essentially becomes a Voting Tax.

It's free if you're below a certain income threshold / qualify for aid programs like SNAP etc.

As an aside, I do agree it's crazy to be nickel-and-dimed for things by gov't agencies that my tax dollars have already funded.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by throwaway-blaze »

parasubvert wrote: post #189
lmm wrote: post #164

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> It doesn't even matter if you agree with the claims that were made about voter fraud, I can't think of any good faith argument by literally anyone on the political compass that it didn't cause people to lose faith in electoral process. Maybe people shouldn't have faith in the electoral process, and the way to rebuild confidence in the integrity of the electoral process is to rebuild the integrity of the electoral p…

That would make sense if there was an actual argument for the process being compromised. But there isn’t. You can rebuild it and be accused of inserting back doors. There’s no win - the whole argument is that the process is sound if a certain party wins, if that party loses, then the process is corrupt. Notice how there’s no cries of election integrity problems for this election? Because the “right” party won.

You must not read lefty X / Twitter where they're wondering where 15mm voters went from last time.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by nerdponx »

lmm wrote: post #164
hellotomyrars wrote: post #97

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The GP isn't making a statement about how voters feel disillusioned in the electoral process in general. They are making a statement about how one of the two political parties has spent 4 years telling their supporters that the 2020 election was stolen because of rampant voter fraud. It doesn't even matter if you agree with the claims that were made about voter fraud, I can't think of any good faith argument by liter…

> It doesn't even matter if you agree with the claims that were made about voter fraud, I can't think of any good faith argument by literally anyone on the political compass that it didn't cause people to lose faith in electoral process. Maybe people shouldn't have faith in the electoral process, and the way to rebuild confidence in the integrity of the electoral process is to rebuild the integrity of the electoral p…

But the electoral process already has integrity. There is nothing to rebuild. There was no voter fraud. It was a big baseless fuss and a lot of lies specifically to keep the core Trump supporter base hooked and radical.
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