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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by wolrah »

alberth wrote: post #100
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes a lot more sense if you look at the iFixit teardown. https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac+M1+24-Inch+Teardown/142...

Does it though? The iMac is basically the same as the M4 iPad Pro, and the iPad Pro doesn't have a chin.

> The iMac is basically the same as the M4 iPad Pro, and the iPad Pro doesn't have a chin.

Cooling seems like it might be a factor here. The iMac's display is probably going to be run at a brighter (and thus hotter) setting AND it's more likely to be used to do things that require high load for extended periods of time, so putting it in its own space probably helps.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by simonw »

declan_roberts wrote: post #160
simonw wrote: post #144

As someone who mucks around with running LLMs and other large models on my computer the 32GB maximum RAM is a show-stopper for me. I'm on a M2 with 64GB at the moment and I'm already regretting not going for 96 or even 128. I want to be able to run a large model AND other apps at the same time.

Which models are you running? I'm on a M2pro w/ 32gb and I can run meta llama 8B on lmstudio pretty decently while coding.

Yeah 8B is fine but I really want to run 70B (or even 405B but that's way outside my system at the moment).

I can run 70B at the moment... but not if I also want Firefox and VS Code at the same time.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by staplung »

baron816 wrote: post #48
minimaxir wrote: post #3

16GB base RAM, they finally did it. They also did move the Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse to USB-C.

Now if only they could figure out how to allow charging the Magic Mouse while it’s being used. I guess that technology is still years away.

Don't be foolish. We may one day cross the Atlantic in an aeroplane or conceive of a motorised carriage capable of traveling 50 miles per hour but some dreams are simply impossible!

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by estebank »

goosedragons wrote: post #181
dijit wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are so many legitimate reasons to hate the magic mouse. Ergonimics, the polling rate, the way the glass gets greasy, the scratchy hard plastic on the bottom. Truly, inferior to the Logitech MX Master in all ways except looks. (which is subjective). But it takes literally a few seconds to get a days worth of charge out of the mouse, Apple clearly don't want you to leave it plugged in to use as a wired mouse: why…

The only reason they don't let you charge it is because it's a recycled design of the MM1 which used disposable batteries. The Magic Keyboard and Trackpad which came out the exact same day both let you use it plugged in and charging, even wired! The Magic Mouse shell was just not designed with a cord in mind at all. I have personally been in meeting where my boss forgot to charge her magic mouse and we had to wait tw…

The track pad and keyboard don't need to move, which would introduce mechanical stress on the port and cable.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by stouset »

taeric wrote: post #149
jfoster wrote: post #76

I could never justify getting an iMac. All the downsides of a laptop & desktop in one; not upgradeable and not portable. Leaves me wondering how many of these Apple actually sell. A Mac Mini with a separate screen feels like it makes far more sense.

I'd be interested in numbers on some of this. From my view, the upgradability is a bit of a red herring for most users. Computers are fast enough for most uses that it just doesn't matter.

And frankly, the “upgradeability” of most desktops is a myth in my experience.

By the time I’ve ever wanted to upgrade a Windows or Linux PC, a new CPU probably isn’t going to fit into the same socket as the one I had so now I need a new motherboard too. I probably want a new GPU if it was a gaming PC and if it wasn’t I would be using an integrated GPU anyway.

I think the only thing I’ve ever kept from an “upgrade” was my case and some memory sticks. But I probably would have been better off—both in time and money—just selling the damn thing as a whole and buying an entirely new set of components.

TL;DR, year-over-year bumps just aren’t worth the price of upgrades, but by the time it is worth doing you probably want to upgrade so many parts there’s little left to keep. YMMV.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by 93po »

dijit wrote: post #128
epolanski wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just reminded me of how stupid the plug beneath the MM was...You never needed to charge it, till you needed it and couldn't use the mouse.

There are so many legitimate reasons to hate the magic mouse. Ergonimics, the polling rate, the way the glass gets greasy, the scratchy hard plastic on the bottom. Truly, inferior to the Logitech MX Master in all ways except looks. (which is subjective). But it takes literally a few seconds to get a days worth of charge out of the mouse, Apple clearly don't want you to leave it plugged in to use as a wired mouse: why…

ive had a magic mouse and only had to plug it in and charge it and walk away for 10 minutes... maybe... 5 times in the past three years? like it's annoying when it happens, but you also only have to charge it once every couple months, and i mostly have this annoyance because i have notifications 100% turned off and i don't see the low battery notification.

however i will say three years in, either a software update or hardware issue is now killing the battery and i have to charge it every week or two and that sucks

salty that i now have airpod pros, an iphone 13, and the magic keyboard and mouse all with their dumb lightning bolt or whatever it's called. going to have to rebuy all this to forever rid myself of non-usb-c cables but at least in 2024 it's finally happened as an option

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by angoragoats »

Hamuko wrote: post #152
Wytwwww wrote: post #147

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These days 8 GB is absurdly low for a ~$1300 PC. Hopefully they might have finally realized that selling crippled products (just to force its users to pay the predatory price for memory upgrades) is hurting UX and their reputation. I mean they claim: > Compared to the most popular 24-inch all-in-one PC with the latest Intel Core 7 processor, the new iMac is up to 4.5x faster.1 But is that really true if your "ultrafa…

The 13-inch iPad Pro is a ~$1300 PC that Apple will gladly sell with 8 GB of RAM.

No, it's not. It's a $1300 high end tablet, which (among other things) will not run arbitrary programs of the user's choosing, and which has aggressive memory management and background process restrictions. All of these factors contribute to 8 GiB being a reasonable amount of memory for such a device.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by aphantastic »

graeme wrote: post #138
jfoster wrote: post #76

I could never justify getting an iMac. All the downsides of a laptop & desktop in one; not upgradeable and not portable. Leaves me wondering how many of these Apple actually sell. A Mac Mini with a separate screen feels like it makes far more sense.

The iMacs very much aren't their main seller. A couple of key demographics use it though: * Families with a shared computer in a common room. Super simple to setup, no fiddling, low price. In the video Apple showcased this use case. My parents have an M3 imac and it works great. They had their last iMac for ten years. * Businesses buy these for reception areas and customers see the Apple logo on the back. Easy soluti…

My parents have had an iMac in their living room sitting quietly doing stuff (web apps, mainly) for 9 years now. Still works fine for all their use cases and the 5k screen remains a delight to behold.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by ryandrake »

azinman2 wrote: post #142
jfoster wrote: post #76

I could never justify getting an iMac. All the downsides of a laptop & desktop in one; not upgradeable and not portable. Leaves me wondering how many of these Apple actually sell. A Mac Mini with a separate screen feels like it makes far more sense.

Most Mac users seldom upgrade. I read here and myself often use a MacBook for 7+ years. Given screen tech changes alone, I think it makes a lot of sense. I’ve owned an iMac before very happily. I just don’t own one now because they stopped making 27” versions.

27" iMac has been my daily driver for over 10 years, and I only replaced my last one because the screen cracked when I tried to repair it. I've got 64GB of RAM and a 27" thunderbolt display on both sides, making excellent for both software development and video editing. I don't know what I'd replace it with if it died.
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