I actually am on ZepBound, and it's great, only I just heard that my coverage is going away. I'm gonna pay the $650 / month and suck it up.
Disgusting.
Ozempic linked to lower Alzheimer's risk in people with Type 2 diabetes
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Culture definitely changes, or else there would be no different cultures. I like bottom-up way to approach it, rather than only top-down via policy. Be healthy yourself and hopefully that bleeds out to your family and friends. If enough people do it, you have a different culture. Certainly possible given all the cultures that do prioritize these things.
> If enough people do it, you have a different culture This just straight up does not work. I will be blunt - you are not suggesting a solution, you're suggesting a delusion. This "do nothing and hope it works" approach is not novel. It has been our one singular approach to the obesity epidemic. Has it been working? We have many decades of evidence now. No, it hasn't. I could maybe see your perspective better if what…
> This just straight up does not work. I will be blunt - you are not suggesting a solution, you're suggesting a delusion.
Exercise and diet do work. Next!
> They really don't. They just have less access to food.
I lived in a fit, rural area in a "third world country" (Colombia) for 4 years, still spend several months there out of the year. The people in my town are not starving for food. In fact it is abundant and everyone has a garden and everyone walks every day and everyone knows their neighbors. The food is entirely local and shipped in from the surrounding farms every morning.
Your perspective is informed by looking at people like numbers, statistics and robots. But the truth is that humans are dynamic, social, organisms that are very capable of changing their ways.
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My entire point is that individuals should take things into their own hands. By exercising and eating whole foods, not depending on the pharmaceutical system for a panacea that may or may not have long term side effects. And if enough people do it, we have a healthy culture again.
If it was that easy, then 'eating better and exercising regularly' wouldn't be the most prescribed and least successful treatment for obesity. There's countless comments in here from many people explaining why this is the case. If you don't get it by now, I doubt you ever will.
It's because our culture is set up to incentivize being weak and fat. You get up from bed, walk to your car, drive to the Dunkin Donuts drive thru, then sit in an office, until you go home.
It's insane to imply this culture just needs some drugs to be healthy.
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Did you have any withdrawal symptoms after stopping alcohol so suddenly?
I did not, but like I said above I've never had physical addiction such that it caused serious withdrawal symptoms (night sweats, seizures, etc have never been an issue for me), so I'm lucky in that respect. Mostly just tremors or what not when I'm on a string of binge drinking nights. I'm a big guy so I don't know if that's why, or just that I am lucky. In the last decade or so I primarily drink beer, mostly because…
good luck friend, i am so happy for your recovery and that you're feeling so good about the results. that's really lovely to hear.
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If it was that easy, then 'eating better and exercising regularly' wouldn't be the most prescribed and least successful treatment for obesity. There's countless comments in here from many people explaining why this is the case. If you don't get it by now, I doubt you ever will.
It's because our culture is set up to incentivize being weak and fat. You get up from bed, walk to your car, drive to the Dunkin Donuts drive thru, then sit in an office, until you go home. It's insane to imply this culture just needs some drugs to be healthy.
I spent a good chunk of my 20s lifting heavy weights. I ate well. Bulking was harder for me than cutting. It never took any real willpower or discipline for me to eat healthy food in healthy quantities.
Then I got busy with life and the convenience of fast food and then eventually uber eats lead me to putting on weight at a steady pace, and before I realized it, suddenly it was incredibly difficult for me to eat healthy quantities of food. As someone who had many years of success being healthy, it was not something I ever succeeded at doing for more than half a year or so after I let myself get fat, despite repeat attempts to resolve the issue.
Did our culture make it easy for me to get fat when I started devoting all my mental energy elsewhere? Yes. But I was never able to get back to where I should be prior to tirzepatide. Now my relationship with hunger is basically where it was back when I was fit.
Some people are be able to push through the various biological feedback loops based on willpower alone. I'm not one of them. So instead of staying fat, or berating myself for my repeated failed attempts, I'll take the drugs and be better off for it.
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> If enough people do it, you have a different culture This just straight up does not work. I will be blunt - you are not suggesting a solution, you're suggesting a delusion. This "do nothing and hope it works" approach is not novel. It has been our one singular approach to the obesity epidemic. Has it been working? We have many decades of evidence now. No, it hasn't. I could maybe see your perspective better if what…
> This just straight up does not work. I will be blunt - you are not suggesting a solution, you're suggesting a delusion. Exercise and diet do work. Next! > They really don't. They just have less access to food. I lived in a fit, rural area in a "third world country" (Colombia) for 4 years, still spend several months there out of the year. The people in my town are not starving for food. In fact it is abundant and ev…
> Exercise and diet do work. Next!
First off this "Next!" nonsense is annoying. Second off you're not understanding what I'm saying.
Just because something works FOR YOU does not mean this is a systemic solution!
To be perfectly clear, what you're suggesting is not novel. In fact, it's so tired I don't even know why you bother to speak it. This has been our solution for the entirety the problem has existed.
Well, is obesity fixed? No, right? So, your solution doesn't fucking work. I don't know what to tell you, open your eyes and look around.
> looking at people like numbers, statistics and robots
Yeah buddy, that's called statistical analysis. Not whatever the fuck you're doing. Sorry, I'm trying to use my brain here and come up with real solutions, I hope you can forgive me!
Oh but the people in your town in Colombia are doing good, that's just great. Clearly, you've cracked the code to solving obesity based off that. All those fatasses just need to garden!
Next up: do people know stealing is bad? Why don't we just completely do away with law enforcement and just tell people stealing is bad? I mean, it works for me! After all, humans are dynamics and yadda yadda yadda some other unscientific bullshit I pulled from my ass. Let's just ban door locks, too!
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> This just straight up does not work. I will be blunt - you are not suggesting a solution, you're suggesting a delusion. Exercise and diet do work. Next! > They really don't. They just have less access to food. I lived in a fit, rural area in a "third world country" (Colombia) for 4 years, still spend several months there out of the year. The people in my town are not starving for food. In fact it is abundant and ev…
> Exercise and diet do work. Next! First off this "Next!" nonsense is annoying. Second off you're not understanding what I'm saying. Just because something works FOR YOU does not mean this is a systemic solution! To be perfectly clear, what you're suggesting is not novel. In fact, it's so tired I don't even know why you bother to speak it. This has been our solution for the entirety the problem has existed. Well, is…
> This has been our solution for the entirety the problem has existed.
lol us American's eat like crap and barely walk. It has not been the solution in this country. Just because the solution is simple does not mean it is easy.
Stealing is a great example of a cultural problem. Did you know some countries are more dangerous than others? In fact, did you know in some communities stealing doesn't happen very much or at all?
Why? The people decided to behave better via mechanisms not finely levered by drugs or pharmaceutical policy. Individual behavior, cultural upbringing, economic circumstance, physical environment, etc. These things are way more important than any drug or policy and minimally impacted by them.
The rest of your argument is just ad hominem. Next!