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Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by Log_out_ »

frenchie4111 wrote: post #13

Everyone is reading this as intentional anti-competitive practices. While that may be true, isn't another reasonable explanation that the Copilot development team is moving as fast as they can and these sorts of workarounds are being forced through in the name of team velocity? It takes a lot more time/energy to push public APIs and it's probably a very different team than the team developing the copilot extension. S…

Can you point me to an example were the initial maliciousness was reverted permanently later?

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by RandomThoughts3 »

frenchie4111 wrote: post #13

Everyone is reading this as intentional anti-competitive practices. While that may be true, isn't another reasonable explanation that the Copilot development team is moving as fast as they can and these sorts of workarounds are being forced through in the name of team velocity? It takes a lot more time/energy to push public APIs and it's probably a very different team than the team developing the copilot extension. S…

> intentional anti-competitive practices

> moving as fast as they can and these sorts of workarounds are being forced through in the name of team velocity

It’s not an either/or. That’s the same thing. The second part is the anticompetitive practice.

Giving advantage to your own teams so they can be there first and uncontested is approximately as anticompetitive as it can get.

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by serial_dev »

naikrovek wrote: post #185
yencabulator wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That just tells you where in the EEE lifecycle you are. Embrace, extend, and extinguish `---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend%2C_and_extin...

Embracing, extending, and extinguishing their own tool? Please consider what you are going to say before you say it.

> Please consider what you are going to say before you say it.

Do as I say , not as I do?

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by lacker »

swyx wrote: post #126
lacker wrote: post #101

After doing some VS Code extension development, I don't really understand what this could enable that isn't already possible. You can run arbitrary code on the client side from a VS Code extension, you can run a full web application inside the VS Code UI, you can read and change developers' files in any way you want. What is Cursor doing that they couldn't do as an extension?

have you tried their cmd+k and Composer experiences? those are new ui paradigms not implementable in extension. native integration that "feels" third party is not going to stand out.

I have tried those, but they seemed like they were just using standard VS Code UI elements. You have text input boxes, decorations of existing text, and additional panels. I guess Cursor is modifying the UI more than the text decoration methods in VS Code allow?

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by RandomThoughts3 »

naikrovek wrote: post #184
sshine wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Visual studio is open source Sort of. The core is, and the installable binaries with telemetry and properietary extensions are not. The open source, telemetry-free version of VSCode is called VSCodium: https://vscodium.com/ > Didn't cusor fork it and is building it features directly into the fork? Yes, in their recent interview with Lex Fridman they argued that life as an extension is too limiting. The main reason…

> The open source, telemetry-free version of VSCode is called VSCodium The open source, telemetry-free version of VSCode is called VSCode. The VSCodium people simply build it for you and package it for you.

The fact that you can access source code allowing you to build a telemetry-free version of VSCode doesn’t magically make what’s actually distributed open source and telemetry free.

The sole thing you can actually download and run while calling it VS Code - a trademarked name - is neither open source nor telemetry-free.

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by lenkite »

canes123456 wrote: post #96
peeters wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everyone is reading this as intentional anti-competitive practices. While that may be true, isn't another reasonable explanation that the Copilot development team is moving as fast as they can and these sorts of workarounds are being forced through in the name of team velocity? Wouldn't another way of saying that be "the Copilot development team is leveraging their Microsoft ownership to create products in a way no…

Is it even not available to competitors? Visual studio is open source. Didn't cusor fork it and is building it features directly into the fork? Not doing something like this would make Copilot at a disadvantage.

Many things like C# Dev Kit are closed source. M$ is slowly but surely moving to the extinguish phase in its takeover workflow.

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by neonsunset »

lenkite wrote: post #206
canes123456 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it even not available to competitors? Visual studio is open source. Didn't cusor fork it and is building it features directly into the fork? Not doing something like this would make Copilot at a disadvantage.

Many things like C# Dev Kit are closed source. M$ is slowly but surely moving to the extinguish phase in its takeover workflow.

Sigh.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41891653

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41884187

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41809351

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41639205

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41384888

Now, I'm not a big fan of VS Code as of lately. I find the changes, that first broke Customize UI + MonkeyPatch extensions to make it look not completely shit on macOS, and now the change that broke APC too that replaced the first two, completely user-hostile and the PM response in GH issues to that very poor. But this specific lie about what is OSS and what isn't, and how it's used annoys me a lot. You are not helping with the problem.

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by naikrovek »

EatFlamingDeath wrote: post #200
naikrovek wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Embracing, extending, and extinguishing their own tool? Please consider what you are going to say before you say it.

Oh my sweet summer child...

do you have anything respectful to say, or just this disrespectful, dismissive response?

If you want to have a discussion, then let's have one. Step one is to have the discussion in good faith. If you're not capable of that, then don't respond at all.

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by tylerchilds »

klabb3 wrote: post #171
Etheryte wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have discovered a truly marvelous reason for them being private, which this margin is too narrow to contain [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat%27s_Last_Theorem#Fermat...

Yeah I love the paternalistic “it’s for your own safety” arguments. > Why did my payment not go through? > Why was my comment removed? > Why is my binary flagged as malware? > Why did my app fail review? > Why is my 10yo account suspended? The answer of yesteryear was “we’d love to tell you but then we’d help the bad guys”. The answer today is “we don’t even know because we replaced the human moderators with a black…

i bought a three day disney ticket online and when i linked it to the app, i got flagged as fraud so i got turned away at the turnstile and accused of “using someone else’s credit card”, “buying from a third party”, and “having a ticket and not a reservation”

the truth was i used 1/1/1970 on my disney account which didn’t match my credit card on the ticket.

i know why disney ai spiked me, but i wanted to know if disney’s cast members could tell me and their ai troubleshooting tactics are quite frankly insulting.

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by foldr »

MadnessASAP wrote: post #117
gavinray wrote: post #17

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Seems like the only sensible comment in this thread so far. Here's what I imagine it's like working on the Copilot team: > Mgmt: "We need this feature, and we need in 2 weeks." > Devs: "That feature is not technically possible." > Mgmt: "Well, figure out a way to make it possible. That's _your_ problem."

That is exactly the sort of management that has landed many a company in hot mater before, including Microsoft. Whether the managers remain ignorant by malice of incompetence is irrelevant. Directing your subordinate to do something that they should reasonably know would break the law or be anticompetitive is still illegal. The see no evil defense is a piss poor defense that is more likely going to be used to show yo…

There isn't the remotest chance that any of this is anticompetitive in a legal sense. Microsoft doesn't have anything close to a monopoly on dev tooling or text editors.
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