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Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by tuukkah »

GranPC wrote: post #27
jchw wrote: post #13

Apparently it is based on Halium, so it's probably not going to run mainline Linux any time soon. On the other hand, I'm less happy with Android than I pretty much ever have been, so having some more options outside of relatively unusable Linux phones and being stuck with modified Android firmware certainly does not hurt. I am definitely interested, especially if the team working on it is as active as it seems they a…

I work on this device. We are currently QAing the latest update with our community, which contains a lot of goodies and improvements shaped directly from community feedback. You can see previous changelogs at https://furilabs.com/changelog I am obviously a little biased, but this is probably the first Linux phone that people can actually use. Someone in our community switched from iPhone to this without much of an is…

Nokia N900 and N9 ran on Linux in 2009 and 2011.

N900: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N900

N9: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N9

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by GranPC »

zokier wrote: post #198

is this actually their own HW design, or is it just some random alibaba HW with their software on it? edit: looks like same HW as "Gigaset GX6" https://www.gigaset.com/hq_en/gigaset-gx6/

We work with the same ODM that supplied the hardware for the Gigaset GX6. We do not resell Gigaset phones directly, but we do use the same reference design.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by GranPC »

thatguy288 wrote: post #188

I might be interested once there's videos of it doing daily stuff, and especially of how its autofocus (speed and functionality) compares to, let's say even an old Samsung Galaxy S7.

What kind of scenarios would you like to see the autofocus working in?

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by rendaw »

GranPC wrote: post #34
rendaw wrote: post #28

It says "Wired/Wireless and NFC combo" under battery charging, but there's no mention of NFC under "Connectivity". Is it charging only? I'd like a linux phone but the Purism phone eschewed NFC too.

There's NFC, although the Linux stack support for NFC is a little limiting. However the NFC hardware is passed through to the Android container, so if, for example, your bank doesn't demand that you pass SafetyNet, you can pay with the phone. (I have done this)

I've used nfc on linux with several readers via pcsc-lite and it seemed to work fine. Do you mean support for the nfc chipsets used on phones? Does the android container deal with that differently somehow?

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by dathinab »

neilv wrote: post #35

$500 price point is a lot for an open source enthusiast phone, especially one unknown. The Pine64 PinePhone is $150-$200, with similar hardware provenance, but various open source projects that might at least give better software longevity and software trustworthiness. https://pine64.com/product-category/pinephone/ An additional consideration: as much as we like and respect our global colleagues, unfortunately I coul…

> with similar hardware provenance

no not at all Pine64 hardware is pretty crap (performance wise, very normal independent of the OS at that price point)

Like you are comparing things like 3GB LPDDR3 SDRAM (Pine64) to 6GB LPDDR4X which is world apart (not only does it move from a "very tight on memory" to "somewhat acceptable memory" (very big deal) it also is much faster (~2x).

Similar on the Pine64 you have 4 old little cores here you have 2 big + 6 little cores and all more modern (end even just the little cores are faster when comparing one core with another, ignoring that you have 2 more little cores and 2 big cores).

Storage moves from a quite tight 32 GiB (through I guess if you only do stuff like mail it might be enough) to a likely more then enough 128GiB (also faster).

Noticeable faster GPU too, I guess.

And way better camera, at least by by numbers.

So not comparable at all.

But what matters most is not the absolute differences but moving it from a "so tight on RAM,CPU,GPU,Storage that you run all times into problems" to a "enough for all common tasks". I.e. from you need micro optimized apps for it to work nice to yes it works if your app is imperfect territory. And that is a pretty big deal.

But also lets be realistic. Atm. _any_ Linux Phone is a pure enthusiast product balancing various problems (price, small production lines, only android diver problems, proprietary blob problems etc.). And many of the enthusiast earn enough money to afford a 500$ toy, through maybe just rarely and with thinking twice about it.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by GranPC »

Vinnl wrote: post #200
tmtvl wrote: post #173

I'm currently using a Volla 22 with Ubuntu Touch and I'm happy with it. However if Furi is using Plasma Mobile (they're mum about what interface they're using, but if it's really a ' lightning fast user interface ' then I don't know what else it could be) then it's unfortunate that I discovered this too late to get it instead.

I think I've seen multiple references to Phosh.

It is Phosh. It can run Plasma Mobile too, but I'm told it's still a bit early in development.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by pjmlp »

A great thing about Android and iDevices is their departure from yet another UNIX clone using C and C++ as the main application languages.

As such, most of these attempts aren't that attractive to me as OS nerd, always recycling the same ideas.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by tuukkah »

whizzter wrote: post #184
tmikaeld wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My gripe with any of the open source phones is that id apps such as bankid don’t work without the secure token storage of Android. Is this Solvable?

You could always protect the signing certificates in the apps with derived passwords, still the length of passkeys practically acceptable to type in on a phone is too short to safely protect a certificate vs a bruteforce attack without some kind of HW assisted storage. In the end it also boils down to what devices the BankID app providers are willing to support, I have a hard time seeing anything but iOS or Android d…

I've never heard of BankID in Finland - perhaps the common name is something else?

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by barbequeer »

> Fast, performant and cheap. You wanted all 3? Now you got it!

Fast, Good, and Cheap. Performant is just a synonym for fast. Is it any good?

Also call me a miser, but $499 is not "cheap". I recently bought a new Nokia G42 with the same camera and storage for <€150

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