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Re: On 17th century "cocaine"

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Post by jajko »

photonthug wrote: post #185
jajko wrote: post #132

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You can't prepare for acclimatization, and you don't know how well your body will handle it before actually going up there. You will suffer regardless, acclimatization just makes things possible and over time mentally more bearable experience. But prepare for 3-5 steps and rest routine in higher parts, pushing through is actually pretty stupid and will fire back quickly and badly, listen to your body. That being said…

> You can't prepare for acclimatization, and you don't know how well your body will handle it before actually going up there. This is something of an enduring medical mystery despite efforts to find related genes, etc. I think part of it is the compounding of second order effects, like who can say whether individual performance one week into an expedition will be more affected by bad sleep, bad digestion, or bad head…

On site you can easily predict with O2 saturation in the blood, small portable testers are available for decades. You see any problems coming a bit in advance, btw this is also true for general health in normal altitude.

Now why the number is as it is in altitude while next guy was more fit down below, but now vomiting furiously is another question, I agree not very clear. Maybe red blood cell pace of production but even that is not a complete picture.

Re: On 17th century "cocaine"

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Post by cynicalpeace »

fluoridation wrote: post #195
cynicalpeace wrote: post #193

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I can very easily back up the claim that the USA does not have equality under the law. Your claim that no one has ever wanted to import coca leaves requires a laughably impossible amount of evidence

>Your claim that no one has ever wanted to import coca No, no. I made no claim, I just asked a question. >Could a new business be started that had a legitimate use for coca and could get a similar exception extended to it? Instead of saying something you know for a fact, such as "I don't know", you made a specific claim: >there's been presumably hundreds of applicants (at least) who have tried the same and been rejec…

I said presumably for a reason. We can't presume anything? Your question didn't even make sense. The exception was applied back in the 20's. Your question of "gee has anyone wanted that same exception" is a dumb question and I was dumb to try to answer it, correct.

Re: On 17th century "cocaine"

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Post by bluGill »

cynicalpeace wrote: post #192
bluGill wrote: post #181

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The request is evidence. So far all I get are claims. However I know from experience that many claims are false so I want to know if this one is real or just another one made for a point without any real trust behind it. I'm not claiming the US is perfect, but you are making a strong statement that is either completely false, or is true but only with pages of fine print (and it may turn out that if I read all those d…

The history of how and why they were granted this exemption is extensively chronicled by Ricardo Cortes. https://rmcortes.medium.com/the-cocainemaker-reefer-madness-... You’re unsure our government and institutions are corrupt?

There is always corruption. The question is what level. A blog on medium is not where I'm going to look for unbiased answers to that question.

Re: On 17th century "cocaine"

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Post by IAmGraydon »

cynicalpeace wrote: post #147
IAmGraydon wrote: post #6

>As you can see, the Times was not the only news outlet to be confused about the distinction between cocaine and coca Unfortunately, the author of this article is the one who is confused. Cocaine is the name of the alkaloid present in the coca leaf, much like the coffee bean contains caffeine. If they were using coca leaf, they were using cocaine.

So when you drink Coca-Cola, you're drinking cocaine?

No. There is no cocaine in coca-cola since 1929. Before that, yes you would be drinking cocaine.

Re: On 17th century "cocaine"

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Post by cynicalpeace »

bluGill wrote: post #203
cynicalpeace wrote: post #192

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The history of how and why they were granted this exemption is extensively chronicled by Ricardo Cortes. https://rmcortes.medium.com/the-cocainemaker-reefer-madness-... You’re unsure our government and institutions are corrupt?

There is always corruption. The question is what level. A blog on medium is not where I'm going to look for unbiased answers to that question.

He wrote a whole book, the "blog" articles are excerpts from his book

Re: On 17th century "cocaine"

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Post by pvarangot »

smogcutter wrote: post #52
akira2501 wrote: post #19

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> single tasked high where interruptions are harder to deal with than with caffeine That comports well with my contemporary and anecdotal understanding of cocaine's most popular effects.

Yes, anyone who’s ever been trapped in a conversation with someone yakked to the gills can tell you all about singleminded focus as an effect of cocaine.

Cocaine in the U.S. is at least 5/10% anfetamines tho, so it's probably worse.

Re: On 17th century "cocaine"

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Post by pvarangot »

fluoridation wrote: post #115
pvarangot wrote: post #13

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I used to drink coca tea a lot when I lived in Argentina where you get it in the supermarket. It's around on par of nicotine as an appetite suppressant for me, as a stimulant I feel caffeine and mate are better for the "stay awake" but coca tea is better for "zoning in", with less of anxiety driving but it's a more single tasked high where interruptions are harder to deal with than with caffeine. Like if I have a lot…

>I used to drink coca tea a lot when I lived in Argentina where you get it in the supermarket. Really? I've never seen it. Were you in a northern province? Reading the comments I became curious and figured I could probably find it somewhere, but I wouldn't expect to find it in a supermarket.

The Chinese supermarkets all had it, I moved out on 2018 and I think they had it in the Jumbo in Palermo in the section where they had some Peruvian stuff on the back of the store. I can't find it on the online Jumbo store, but Mercadolibre has it.

Re: On 17th century "cocaine"

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Post by dyauspitr »

standardUser wrote: post #127
lqet wrote: post #86

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Reading the complete Sherlock Holmes stories a few months ago, I also noticed how casually the frequent use of cocaine by Holmes is mentioned as a small vice, a recreational drug that is also "chemically clean", so nothing to worry about. Opium, on the other hand, is associated with disease, crime, and the criminal underworld.

I use cocaine semi-frequently but avoid all opioids. The people I've known with cocaine problems always have tangential problems with alcohol abuse, excessive/irresponsible partying and generally unstable lifestyles. I've rarely seem people with acute addictions. The (many more) people I've know with opioid addictions are often 'regular' people with moderate-to-severe pain or mental health issues that become severely…

I’ve never known someone to do cocaine in moderation unless the window between uses was very large (like once a year). It’s all anecdotal but if you’re doing it once a week or once a month, it will eventually grow over time to take over your life.

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Post by fluoridation »

pvarangot wrote: post #207
fluoridation wrote: post #115

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>I used to drink coca tea a lot when I lived in Argentina where you get it in the supermarket. Really? I've never seen it. Were you in a northern province? Reading the comments I became curious and figured I could probably find it somewhere, but I wouldn't expect to find it in a supermarket.

The Chinese supermarkets all had it, I moved out on 2018 and I think they had it in the Jumbo in Palermo in the section where they had some Peruvian stuff on the back of the store. I can't find it on the online Jumbo store, but Mercadolibre has it.

That's close to the office. I'll have to check. Weird that I've never seen it. I guess I just haven't been paying attention.

Thanks for replying.

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