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An adult fruit fly brain has been mapped

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Re: An adult fruit fly brain has been mapped

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Interesting, with all of the BS around LLM training sucking up other peoples' content that something like the economist can base an article off a paper without adding too much more in the way of unique content, just fluff and still lock down access to the content.

Re: An adult fruit fly brain has been mapped

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post #170

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Curious if you could elaborate? It seems like the issue isn’t carbon credits, but the lack of a regulated level of carbon that would make them effective. Market incentives work best with dollar incentives, not virtue points.

Carbon credits are useless for the same reason that non-proportional fines are also useless; for the incredibly wealthy the cost of speeding is the cost of the ticket. Some nations do a proportional speeding fine based on income - but that still doesn't affect the 1-0.1% whose wealth is more asset than income based.

That was effectively my point. There aren't appropriate dollar incentives to make the "market solution" work. It's really just a feel-good or virtue-signaling apparatus, not a financial market solution.

Re: An adult fruit fly brain has been mapped

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post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Carbon credits are useless for the same reason that non-proportional fines are also useless; for the incredibly wealthy the cost of speeding is the cost of the ticket. Some nations do a proportional speeding fine based on income - but that still doesn't affect the 1-0.1% whose wealth is more asset than income based.

That was effectively my point. There aren't appropriate dollar incentives to make the "market solution" work. It's really just a feel-good or virtue-signaling apparatus, not a financial market solution.

Yeah, not trying to steal your thunder, but adding to it. :)

Re: An adult fruit fly brain has been mapped

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post #198

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> If you ask MIT Professor Charles Leiserson, Moore’s Law has been over since at least 2016. That’s from the link. I largely agree. Colloquially it’s over after 2016. Any other interpretation is too pedantic imo.

How is anything other than joules per operation relevant in the context of this thread? That's the only variant that matters here. (Well, dollars per operation, but assuming energy costs are fixed…)

The context is improvement in general.

Re: An adult fruit fly brain has been mapped

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post #123

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the EM dataset for this connectome, FAFB, is only a few hundred TB. as a rule of thumb volume electron microscopy datasets are on the order of 1 PB / cubic millimeter, and the fly brain is much smaller than 1 mm3

a few hundred TB is on the order PBs

I meant like 100-200

Re: An adult fruit fly brain has been mapped

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post #170

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About as useful as the carbon credits themselves

Curious if you could elaborate? It seems like the issue isn’t carbon credits, but the lack of a regulated level of carbon that would make them effective. Market incentives work best with dollar incentives, not virtue points.

> Curious if you could elaborate?

The vast majority of carbon credits issued are fraudulent:

> Revealed: more than 90% of rainforest carbon offsets by biggest certifier are worthless, analysis shows

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/18/revealed...

> A Shell-operated plant reported millions of carbon credits tied to CO₂ removal that never took place but were used by Canada’s largest oil sands companies

https://archive.is/xH4NE

https://www.ft.com/content/93938a1b-dc36-4ea6-9308-170189be0...

Re: An adult fruit fly brain has been mapped

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post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious if you could elaborate? It seems like the issue isn’t carbon credits, but the lack of a regulated level of carbon that would make them effective. Market incentives work best with dollar incentives, not virtue points.

> Curious if you could elaborate? The vast majority of carbon credits issued are fraudulent: > Revealed: more than 90% of rainforest carbon offsets by biggest certifier are worthless, analysis shows https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/18/revealed... > A Shell-operated plant reported millions of carbon credits tied to CO₂ removal that never took place but were used by Canada’s largest oil sands companies…

That seems to point to a problem with administration than the mechanism itself. It's like pointing to the fraud surrounding PPP loans and concluding the government shouldn't provide assistance in an emergency.

Re: An adult fruit fly brain has been mapped

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It’s a neural network without weights. And it doesn’t have a body. Figuring out the behaviour of the neurons could take decades, although I have no doubt that people will eventually. And simulating a whole fruit fly body seems like it’s going to be out of reach for a very long time.

> It’s a neural network without weights. It has approximate weights. Neuron connection strength is determined by the number of synapses (1-100s, sometimes 1000s), the type of synapse neurotransmitter, and the number of receptors. The connectome has 1 and 2 and is only missing 3. The number of receptors may not even be that important- the fact that the number of synapses is important may well mean the number of recept…

There's also dendrite calculations.. https://news.mit.edu/2022/dendrites-help-neurons-perform-021...
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