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Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by gibibit »

luizfelberti wrote: post #48

> Then a couple of weeks ago, added [direct] links to the Wayback Machine Hopefully they are also making substantial donations to the Internet Archive, since they will be directing a lot of traffic into it and basically using their infrastructure as a feature on their main product... EDIT: Apparently they are collaborating but there are not much details [0] [0] https://blog.archive.org/2024/09/11/new-feature-alert-ac…

I hope Google is NOT going to be a significant source of funding for the Internet Archive. Because I want to trust Wayback Machine and the Internet Archive to be unbiased.

Google likes to influence search results, hiding ones it doesn't like, and elevating those that the Company supports. Wayback Machine has been very reliable so far, I hope it stays that way.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

crazygringo wrote: post #173
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It became apparent they are a zombie company once I realized I no longer put any brainspace into learning new functionality/tools Google offered. They are a corporation living off the corpse of who they have been. Total zombie company that doesn't realize it's dead yet. What was the last new Google anything you added to your daily life? Instead of adding Google Quickshare to share files from my PC to Android I use Mi…

> What was the last new Google anything you added to your daily life? Gemini. Maybe you prefer ChatGPT, but either way the product category is a huge improvement to daily life for a lot of people. And transformers were invented at Google. And Waymo is on its way to being huge . Might eventually make Google more money than everything it's done before. As far as I can tell, innovation seems alive and well at Google. Bu…

I tried Gemini in Google assistant for 5 minutes. It is not hyperbole to say it completely broke every feature I used assistant for and I reverted back instantly.

I am never getting into a Google powered vehicle. They aren't 2000s genius Google, they are 2024 'We're getting rid of Google Cache' Google that prioritizes a buck over good tech. I'm not trusting that mindset with my life.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by iggldiggl »

deanCommie wrote: post #199
iamleppert wrote: post #182

Google Cache was useful because you could sometimes not find a term or keyword in the web site, but it would be in the cache. Or for sites that have gone offline, or no longer have the item. "It's still in the Google Cache!" you can't say that anymore. I use Google less and less these days. What's the point when you can just ask an LLM, and it gives you an answer within seconds, with no ads? You can ask for reference…

This still happens all the time. * I search a keyword * I see a google result * I see the keyword IN THE PREVIEW on Google * I click on the link * No keyword And this isn't hidden SEO spam stuff, it was literally removed. The cache doesn't match the live result. No recourse.

Another annoying scenario is when the search result isn't the actual page/article/… itself, but only a snippet within a site's own (paginated) index.

At the time Google had indexed that page, the article preview you were looking for was maybe on page 5 of that index, but by the time you're arriving, it might have moved to page 11 because of all the additional content that got added since then.

With online shops it's even worse, because there items get both added and possibly removed again, plus the default ordering usually isn't strictly chronologically but some sort of popularity-based or whatever algorithm, so something that originally was indexed on page 5 of the catalogue might by now be on page 2 or on page 12 or it might have been dropped from the inventory altogether.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #19

I would presume Google still has all this data. They just will not let anyone else use it. Could this be an advantage that Google can use to train their models on but others won't have access? Google wants it to be more difficult to notice rewrites? Journalists to often have found valuable information with it?

Just with youtube, the surface area of these services is getting smaller and smaller and you get less and less. Too much optimization to the detriment of users. All the while search is still rooted in 90s concepts and only serves as a money making thing.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by Apocryphon »

renewiltord wrote: post #193
Apocryphon wrote: post #188

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Sure, but the guy who would conceive and execute on this idea was never going to be a guy who would stop there. Folks like this don’t aim at some point and then achieve it and stay there. They aim higher, land where they do, and continue to target the higher point. It’s how it is. You can tell because how many of the rest of the people who would have stopped and flown under the radar have duplicated the Archive and s…

Hm, what's that Carl Sagan quote, "They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." Brewster Kahle's vision for the Internet Archive as an electronic repository for human knowledge is the former. His belief that he can just blithely tussle with the entire copyright regime in such a half-cocked manner is the latter. You should not confuse folly for audacity. Especially when it might completely jeopardize the former.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by iggldiggl »

seanw444 wrote: post #47
ventegus wrote: post #40

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They check for client IP. True Googlebot always comes from 66.249.*.*

Yeah I was like "surely it can't be that easy." So I went to try, and no, surely it is not.

Sometimes you can get lucky though – I know at least one forum that requires registration even just for viewing posts, but lets Googlebot through and only checks the user agent.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by renewiltord »

ssl-3 wrote: post #200
renewiltord wrote: post #185

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At home, it just pops up for everyone on the local network so anyone can do it. Works nicely for us to be honest. I quite like it. And the remote works too. Overall, I’m quite happy with this stuff. The only thing is that if you set up with all HomePods you can have your TV audio go to them too in stereo. Very cool. And Google doesn’t have that feature.

Why not both? Can my neighbor not stop by and watch some TV with me and have the ability to pause it?

They can. It’ll pop up on their phone if they’re on the network or they can use the remote. I do it all the time myself because I set my phone aside.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by aaroninsf »

gibibit wrote: post #201
luizfelberti wrote: post #48

> Then a couple of weeks ago, added [direct] links to the Wayback Machine Hopefully they are also making substantial donations to the Internet Archive, since they will be directing a lot of traffic into it and basically using their infrastructure as a feature on their main product... EDIT: Apparently they are collaborating but there are not much details [0] [0] https://blog.archive.org/2024/09/11/new-feature-alert-ac…

I hope Google is NOT going to be a significant source of funding for the Internet Archive. Because I want to trust Wayback Machine and the Internet Archive to be unbiased. Google likes to influence search results, hiding ones it doesn't like, and elevating those that the Company supports. Wayback Machine has been very reliable so far, I hope it stays that way.

Generally speaking, the Wayback Machine is not searchable in the fashion that Google is, there isn't a scale to put the thumb on.

(There are some tiny subsets which are rudimentarily full-text searchable; and some efforts to make domains findable. But nothing remotely like even Google 1.0 mapping URIs to organic terms.)

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by qingcharles »

selectodude wrote: post #24
ThinkBeat wrote: post #19

I would presume Google still has all this data. They just will not let anyone else use it. Could this be an advantage that Google can use to train their models on but others won't have access? Google wants it to be more difficult to notice rewrites? Journalists to often have found valuable information with it?

I feel like the internet archive has taken a lot of that sort of use off of Google. Unrelated: Google should probably think about a sizable donation to the Internet archive.

They should donate all their saved data from Google Cache too.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by crazygringo »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #202
crazygringo wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What was the last new Google anything you added to your daily life? Gemini. Maybe you prefer ChatGPT, but either way the product category is a huge improvement to daily life for a lot of people. And transformers were invented at Google. And Waymo is on its way to being huge . Might eventually make Google more money than everything it's done before. As far as I can tell, innovation seems alive and well at Google. Bu…

I tried Gemini in Google assistant for 5 minutes. It is not hyperbole to say it completely broke every feature I used assistant for and I reverted back instantly. I am never getting into a Google powered vehicle. They aren't 2000s genius Google, they are 2024 'We're getting rid of Google Cache' Google that prioritizes a buck over good tech. I'm not trusting that mindset with my life.

You're complaining about the Assistant integration, not stand-alone Gemini.

And you still won't get into a Waymo when extensive statistics prove they're far safer than a human driver?

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