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Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by ASalazarMX »

markus_zhang wrote: post #45

On a side note, I have been reflecting on the impact of modern Internet contents on me for the last 12 years or so. The conclusion is, for whatever the reason, the impact is mostly negative. It would do me a great favor to simply remove Youtube, social media sites and anything similar from my life. I probably have ADHD. I rarely completed any side projects. I'm anxious most if the time, biting my fingers all the time…

I'd advise people not to self-diagnose with mental diseases, go to a doctor and get checked. Being neurodivergent became fashionable, but there's natural neural diversity among humans. Most people are easily distracted, have difficulty focusing, are unusually sad/tired or happy/energetic according to the whims of life, etc. Most people need to overcome this so they make an effort to put aside distractions, concentrate, be more resilient to uncertainty, etc.

Normal humans have a wide range of neural diversity, that's not a disease.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by mrandish »

computerfriend wrote: post #181
mrandish wrote: post #164

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Here is what the Nova YT interface looks like on my Firefox. Each section is a separate module. Modules don't do anything if not activated so you can choose how you want YT to behave/appear. https://i.imgur.com/lMKaJ5t.jpeg After putting the number of videos in a grid row back to a useful number, things I especially like are changing video thumbnails back to a still that's actually from the fucking video, instead of…

I like the clickbait thumbnails and capitalised titles, it is a useful signal for what videos to avoid.

That used to be the case for me too, however recently some actually valuable channels I follow have started to clown themselves with stupid thumbnails just to get views. Also, I don't really need that signal since I already block all YT recommendations and global feeds so I only ever see channels I already subscribe to. And I only subscribe to small channels in relatively obscure niches of science, technology and hobbies like pre-90s vintage computing. Most channels I follow only have a few thousand subs and I don't think any of them even approaches 100k subs.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by mozempthrowaway »

miah_ wrote: post #198
mozempthrowaway wrote: post #184

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It’s not monopolistic to not support shitty browsers with little user base. This isn’t even the basis for the current antitrust ruling against Google, for what it’s worth. As the parent comment points out, if YouTube isn’t buggy for most of their users, why do they have to worry about it? We don’t expect either Microsoft or game devs to ensure their stuff works well with wine on Linux.

So you work at Google on Youtube then right? The _WEB_ is a open standard. A Game running on Windows is a false equivalence.

Web standards are open but that doesn’t mean you can’t build on top of them. YouTube is not an open standard. If Google wanted to end web support for YouTube and force everyone to use some sort of YouTube app even on desktop, they could do that. They’re not obligated to make sure YouTube works on EVERY browser especially when an insignificant amount of their users come from there.

A game running on windows isn’t a false equivalence either. A lot of games are built on open standards and open source (e.g. OpenGL, various game engines, etc) and still won’t work on wine/linux. If a bunch of people are using windows in order to play their games, that’s not too different from a lot of people using chromium browsers to use YouTube.

Also, I work at Mozilla.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by mozempthrowaway »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #191
mozempthrowaway wrote: post #165

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The perception of corruption is not without merit. Mozilla is pretty corrupt at this point. (Source: I work here). I really don’t get where this whole “the EU should fund it” idea came from and why it’s repeated so often. Why would the EU throw their tax payer money at another corrupt American corporation? Mozilla has been in bed with Google for several years, has horrible web compatibility, and is only barely still…

Can you elaborate on specifics of corruption?

Basically, follow the money.

To keep nonprofit/tax benefits, the work has to be done for some sort of public benefit. That work never gets done, instead it’s constant reorganizations, hiring/firing, and shuffling money around. We’re always profitable, and every few years there seems to be decent to huge layoffs even though we’re beating revenue estimates and behind on our hiring goals.

Money keeps going up from Google, usage keeps going down, start new projects, never staff them to what is budgeted, cut project, fire people, and the money disappears into the foundation. Foundation sends money out to various levels of ghost and shell corporations.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by cholantesh »

croisillon wrote: post #200
cholantesh wrote: post #77

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I have occasionally run into a weird issue when I jump from one video to another - Video 1's title, comments and description (and maybe its recommendations?) will be displayed but Video 2 will play in the container. Load times are also wonky, but that's about it.

maybe i'm not such a heavy user

I feel attacked lol

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by Reubachi »

lioeters wrote: post #186
Reubachi wrote: post #180

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Of the top of my head I can think of 5-10 youtube videos that have had such a profound effect on me, or I enjoyed so much, that I want them forever. This isn't counting for example videos like "how to remove a 2012 mazda 3 wheel bearing" that I have watched 4x over the last 10 years. Like anyone else though... I won't put that into effect until it's too late, because I'm used to youtube "being there." Additionally, t…

Just curious, could you share any memorable video(s) that you saved locally to rewatch? I occasionally save audio, like a song or album, so I can listen without the browser, but rarely video. Last time I did that, it was a Czech animation series from the 1960's called Krtek (The Little Mole). https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpaZrUayzSZmHWvtFR7n3...

Sure, thanks for asking. Mainly hobby things

Disney's FastPass, a complicated history -Defunctland: I've shown this one to many many people, K. Perjurer is great great great at storytelling, and the data/analytics behind the FastPass process may get you interested in Theme Parks.

The Ultimate Guide To Nuclear Weapons - HypotheticalHistory: He's a credited milblogger who can make a 5 hour video on the logistics of paperclip shipping.

All Miata Videos - Saveageeese: I own one and the docuseries is a wealth of knowledge, interviews with designers, etc.

PETSCOP: The darkest Game you can not play - Nexpo, just take a peek :p "wendigoon" is similar in that it's well reseeearched, well edited, long form content.

There is a youtuber named Bald and Bankrupt. He is a travel vlogger and I greatly enjoy his personality/exposure to the greater world. I've "folowed" him on some trips, IE India.

I more so do this because it's hard to remember/reflect on "profound youtube videos". I don't realllly ever go back and rewatch except maybe the Defunctland one, and it's easier to just go to the web.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by saurik »

entropicdrifter wrote: post #147
bawolff wrote: post #122

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> Google is a megacorp - Hanlon's razor doesn't apply. On the contrary, i think it applies more. The larger the group, the more stupid stuff it does.

This this this. Megacorporations aren't more competent ,they're able to get away with more incompetence and tell whoever complains to shove it.

But knowing you can repeatedly get away with incompetence is malice. Hanlon's razor is used as an excuse for moral culpability, as if who is merely incompetent isn't evil; but, once you point out how that level of incompetence is hurting others, if they choose to not merely prevent such incompetence going forward, but recognize when they make mistakes and take steps to make it right--yes: after the fact; not merely fixing a bug, for example, and not merely apologizing for their incompetence, but making some kind of reparation to those harmed--that must be understood as malicious behavior.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by lenkite »

benterix wrote: post #137
seanw444 wrote: post #121

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In a vacuum, it's not. The market is completely dominated by Google though, and they exercise that authority and mindshare brazenly, to the point that it's easy to see how it affects Firefox. Firefox functions great. It doesn't function great with Google products/services such as YouTube in this case, which has no real competition. What's someone to do? Switch to Chrome. One might even make the assumption that the re…

> demonstrates... malice Not demonstrates, hints at. In each of these cases, Google is very careful that you can easily come up with an alternative plausible explanation. It's hard to use the en masse argument if each of these problems can be accounted for. These guys are not stupid - they're happy with the current status quo where they have a de facto monopoly but they can pretend they don't.

Sorry, it is absolutely hard-core malice. No hinting, after we found out last year that a deliberate sleep was introduced with a user agent check. This is bald-faced murder. Its like shooting someone in public and stomping on the body. No need to dance around it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38345858

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by cholantesh »

knodi123 wrote: post #97
cholantesh wrote: post #72

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The one thing you lose I guess is discovery, but the algorithm is so volatile that maybe that's not the worst thing in the world.

Yeah, i've used tampermonkey and various other scripts to remove all discovery/suggestions from youtube, and I've never regretted it. It's great. But that's just my personal style, if you sit down and watch it like TV then I can see how that would be a sacrifice.

I don't, but I like the recommendations on the home screen to find stuff I might like...again though, like 75% of the time, I don't.
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