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> Uber is an American company with all systems running in the US
The company registration with headquarters in the Netherlands begs to differ, as do all those European Uber drivers
Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US
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They interacted with a local subsidiary. Being subsidiaries of an American company does not mean that they get to ignore local laws. Funnily enough, even Americans get to follow the rules in other countries.
So they sent their documents to the local company, which in turn transferred them overseas. I really fail to see how this is the drivers’ fault.
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#203Which big tech company will be the first to stop doing business in Europe? It's going to happen sooner or later.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
The sooner the better. This way local EU players can fill the void they'll leave. This insular isolation also fueled China's domestic SW sector.
this take is naive. building alternatives takes time and resources. the EU has neither. a diverse, competitive tech ecosystem with both EU and non-EU players is better than a protectionist approach. hoping for an exodus of major global players when you’re leapfrogged by both China and the US…
>building alternatives takes time and resources. the EU has neither.
This is kind of a FUD fueled false dichotomy, when the truth is we can't know if the EU doesn't have time or resources if it never tries.
What the US has that EU doesn't is the infinte money to throw in the bonfire at moonshot projects knowing that 99% will fail and the 1% will be hugely successful, but now the market is mature with less untapped opportunities, and the EU doesn't have to spend like the US did to achieve the same results, since we now know what works and what doesn't and how to make an Uber that's compliant with local regulations while using less money.
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#205Funny they are being fined in the Netherlands, because Uber is almost invisible there, as regular taxis have been protected. I don't have accurate data, but it's at least 15€ per inhabitant, so it seems like a very very steep fine. I can't imagine how much this is per driver, €25000? It seems the dutch regulator is saying "why don't you just go away?". The feeling is likely mutual.
> a very steep fine
> > The appeals process is expected to take some four years and any fines are suspended until all legal recourses have been exhausted, according to the DPA.
fine is suspended. it will take 4 years of appeals :)
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
The sooner the better. This way local EU players can fill the void they'll leave. This insular isolation also fueled China's domestic SW sector.
this take is naive. building alternatives takes time and resources. the EU has neither. a diverse, competitive tech ecosystem with both EU and non-EU players is better than a protectionist approach. hoping for an exodus of major global players when you’re leapfrogged by both China and the US…
> building alternatives takes time and resources. the EU has neither.
This is a smartphone app that buys a local service that already exists, it's not hard... In fact alternatives already exist.. I mean of course they do cmon.
On the flip side do you realise the lithographic tech used to build your Intel fabs come from EU? (ASML) building an alternative to that will take serious time and resources. EU is not some third world country.
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It's more like 'if you want to do business in the EU, abide by EU rules'. Applicable to every company.
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#208Which big tech company will be the first to stop doing business in Europe? It's going to happen sooner or later.
Too big a market. That's the power of the EU I guess. If they can adapt to abide, they will. If they can't, quite likely due to GDPR for many US companies.
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#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
Access to tech is different from handling of personal data though -- the EU GDPR laws around that are clear and fair People have a right to know where their personal data is going, what is being stored, what it is being used for and should have a mechanism to correct it and delete The wider challenge is how that is handled in a compliant way with LLMs and generative tools which vendors do not seem to be taking partic…
> The wider challenge is how that is handled in a compliant way with LLMs and generative tools which vendors do not seem to be taking particularly seriously yet I'm curious as to why people would want to train LLMs on personal identifying information. What's the benefit of an LLM that has a large collection of names, addresses, dates of birth etc.?
Free-form text like Reddit posts contains a whole load of PII. Since there is absolutely no regard for what goes into a LLM, naturally, they also contain this PII.
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Your explanation is in the second paragraph:
"In Europe, the GDPR protects the fundamental rights of people, by requiring businesses and governments to handle personal data with due care", Dutch DPA chairman Aleid Wolfsen says. "But sadly, this is not self-evident outside Europe. Think of governments that can tap data on a large scale. That is why businesses are usually obliged to take additional measures if they store personal data of Europeans outside the European Union. Uber did not meet the requirements of the GDPR to ensure the level of protection to the data with regard to transfers to the US. That is very serious."