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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by the_duke »

llm_trw wrote: post #174
mdhb wrote: post #47

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A French citizen running a service in France is going to be subject to French laws and can expect to be arrested when they step into the country of France if they have charges pending. This isn’t some grand conspiracy theory.

>A ~French~ Chinese citizen running a service in ~French~ Chinese is going to be subject to ~French~ Chinese laws and can expect to be arrested when they step into the country of ~French~ Chinese if they have charges pending. >This isn’t some grand conspiracy theory. Funny that when the wrong country does it it's tyranny. When a Western country does it it's the rule of law. Especially when they are the exact same thi…

Do you have any concrete examples where this would apply? (person getting arrested in China over an offered service)

If not, this is just whataboutism.

I can't think of any, to be honest.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by souvlakee »

felurx wrote: post #171

Not directly related to the arrest, but to Durov: His Telegram channel is somewhat odd. It's a mix of what you'd expect (updates / general stuff about Telegram), some slightly weird stuff (highly praising countries he visited or talking about his oh-so-high-quality sperm and how he's the biological father of "over 100" kids), and then there's just shilling for some random watch-ads-to-get-coins things or whatever tha…

He's an interesting but odd man. It's rare to see him fully dressed on his Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/durov. I expected him to remove his clothes during Carlson's interview, but he didn't.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by lolinder »

enlyth wrote: post #190
lovegrenoble wrote: post #155

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Already deleted... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41341353

Not deleted, just suddenly demoted to the 4th page. It's that broken HN algorithm that randomly messes up the front page for no reason.

Otherwise known as the flame war detector, which does a decent job of keeping flame wars off the front page but occasionally has to be fixed by a mod when it kicks in incorrectly.

Moderation is hard, and HN actually does a pretty good job all things considered.

Edit: it's already back.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by wkat4242 »

perihelions wrote: post #122
roomey wrote: post #108

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Here's the thing, all the politicians use WhatsApp. They actually don't want that backdoored, guaranteed.

EU politicians did (try to) explicitly exempt themselves from their own chat surveillance laws, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40063025 ( "ChatControl: EU ministers want to exempt themselves (european-pirateparty.eu)" , 202 comments)

That makes sense though. We all know all politicians are saints and would never fall prey to corruption or criminal interests. /s

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by cactusplant7374 »

perchlorate wrote: post #169
Glacia wrote: post #43

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Obviously FSB is not going to make a press release and be like "We have the keys LOL" so there would never be definitive proof. Fun fact: Telegram at some point was blocked in Russia for not giving FSB access to data. Later telegram was unblocked and is used extensively in Russia. It's not hard to figure out why it was unblocked.

This is pure FUD. They're still trying to block it, the latest three attempts happened this week. Two of them were done in the middle of the night as training exercise, maybe for 3-4 hours each, and the last one then happened in the middle of the day. All three broke large parts of the internet and were quickly reverted. When something newsworthy happens in some region, all messengers get blocked in that region for d…

What is an example of something that is newsworthy?

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Post by CoastalCoder »

perchlorate wrote: post #169
Glacia wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously FSB is not going to make a press release and be like "We have the keys LOL" so there would never be definitive proof. Fun fact: Telegram at some point was blocked in Russia for not giving FSB access to data. Later telegram was unblocked and is used extensively in Russia. It's not hard to figure out why it was unblocked.

This is pure FUD. They're still trying to block it, the latest three attempts happened this week. Two of them were done in the middle of the night as training exercise, maybe for 3-4 hours each, and the last one then happened in the middle of the day. All three broke large parts of the internet and were quickly reverted. When something newsworthy happens in some region, all messengers get blocked in that region for d…

I'm curious how the people attempting news blackouts reason about it.

I doubt they explicitly say to themselves, "Today I do evil for fun and profit.". I wonder what their rationalization is.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by iscoelho »

felurx wrote: post #171

Not directly related to the arrest, but to Durov: His Telegram channel is somewhat odd. It's a mix of what you'd expect (updates / general stuff about Telegram), some slightly weird stuff (highly praising countries he visited or talking about his oh-so-high-quality sperm and how he's the biological father of "over 100" kids), and then there's just shilling for some random watch-ads-to-get-coins things or whatever tha…

1) Updates/general makes sense as you say.

2) "Praising countries" aka focusing on increasing the reach of Telegram, similar to Zuckerberg with Facebook.

3) "biological father of "over 100" kids" is quite the mildly interesting fact. It's unsurprising for an individual in his position to be a little eccentric.

4) "shilling for some random watch-ads-to-get-coins" aka focusing on increasing engagement with the Telegram app ecosystem that directly benefits Telegram.

All make sense to me.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by llm_trw »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #193
llm_trw wrote: post #152

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To slightly mis-quote the only good Soviet joke that came out after the fall of the USSR: The Communists lied to us about Communism, unfortunately they didn't lie about the West.

I don’t get it.

The USSR was a totalitarian hell hole which had nothing to do with what communism was supposed to be.

It was still better than what happened to the USSR between 1993 and 2000 when the West won the cold war and dictated surrender terms.

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Post by codedokode »

greatgib wrote: post #9
Glacia wrote: post #4

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>I can easily guess that assholes in secret service would probably like very much to use that to blackmail him to add backdoors to telegram Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government?

Since forever I stay suspicious but so far Telegram as an impeccable track record. Never there was a single instance of case where there would be even a suspicion of proof that insider knowledge of conversations was accessed/used. Also, it is clear that Durov is a dissident and personally experienced and run away of the dictatorial state. So I think that it is probably one of the tech personality that I trust the mos…

By the way, Dropbox had a person from the govt (Condoleezza Rice) on the Board of Directors, and people still entrusted their data to it.
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