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Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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Our middle school has banned phones during school hours, and it's been great. Even though most kids own phones and have them in their backpacks, they aren't seen. There are less problems during classes and kids have to talk to each other during lunch instead of going head down in their phones. Parental pushback has been really minimal - most parents love it, and it's good for the kids. Making no phones a blanket poli…

it's all good until that thing that happens at American schools, happens... That is my one hang up here. It would be idealistic to believe that the Police would protect kids, but in reality there are far too many cases of them being grossly negligent in this exact circumstance... in many of those cases, having a phone played a pivotal role in security. I don't want to get too far into details on HN for the sake of ke…

I'm curious. How did the phones save kids in the last 30+ school incidents in the US this year? Could you share a source on that?

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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>Yes, school shootings are a problem. But why does there need to be 30 cell phones in the classroom? The landline on the teacher's desk can be enough. Or even a button to turn off the jammer. A single landline isn't going to help 30 kids call their parents and say a final good-bye before the shooter kills them, while the town police force stands outside.

That's a rare circumstance that is made to seem more common by very wide media coverage. And even in that sort of situation, it seems doubtful that it actually helps anybody either. Some parents will show up and get in the way of emergence responders. Most kids who call their parents will end up surviving anyway, and the phonecalls end up increasing the number of people who get PTSD from the whole thing. If a modest…

These kinds of calculations aren't useful to a typical US parent who, after the Uvalde disaster, has absolutely no reason to trust law enforcement to handle such a situation competently, and every reason to distrust them. Why should they assume that the cops in their town are any better than Uvalde's? They're going to hear "your kid can't have their phone in our school" and think of this.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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post #178

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You never used a pay phone as a kid?

I was born in 1955 in the UK and I almost never used a phone of any kind as a child.

I have a friend a bit younger than you born in rural ireland; when she was a child her phone number was 8.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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post #52

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it's all good until that thing that happens at American schools, happens... That is my one hang up here. It would be idealistic to believe that the Police would protect kids, but in reality there are far too many cases of them being grossly negligent in this exact circumstance... in many of those cases, having a phone played a pivotal role in security. I don't want to get too far into details on HN for the sake of ke…

Or live in a country where the last school shooting was more than 25 years ago? Seriously this is such a weird comment. You don't want to say "school shooting" at risk of being uncivil but you think kids should always be prepared for a live gunman to walk into their lives. From my perspective, that's the uncivil part of your comment.

"Apply for immigration visas4 and move 'thousands of miles to an entirely new country" is not a realistic solution for most families.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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post #21

I forget who originally suggested this so I can’t take credit. But what if device manufacturers worked with schools to implement some kind of “School Mode” on these devices? Students could retain their access in exchange for schools setting policies on what’s allowed, e.g. you can keep wearing your watch, but it’s effectively in collection-only mode during the school day. Nothing intrusive to the students; more like…

> what if device manufacturers worked with schools to implement some kind of “School Mode” on these devices? How would you enforce this? > as our devices become increasingly wearable and integrated with daily life, it seems like a ban is only a temporarily viable solution I’m a strong proponent of these technologies. But the truth is we mandate, and as a result do, zero testing on how it affects kids before deploying…

> How would you enforce this?

It doesn't really need to be enforced. The problem is when kids are using their device in a way that the school considers inappropriate (because of distraction, etc...). "School mode" is supposed to help kids stay in focus. If the school notices a kid is using his device inappropriately (ex: responding to social media notifications), then the school can say "why wasn't that phone in school mode? it wouldn't have happened if it was" and take disciplinary action.

A kid that is able to stay attentive and resist the barrage of notifications and all the addictive things smartphones are known for without help from "school mode" would show an impressive level of self-control and should be praised, not punished because he didn't press the right button.

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post #31

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> I think banning fitness trackers is a bit much, they are very useful for sports such as cycling, running, tri & swimming. The ban seems to target children too young to need to keep track of things like that, as far as I understand the article.

You don't think high school students do running or swimming, or do those things competitively?

The notice (https://secure.smore.com/n/us6j7-greenwich-public-schools?re...) is talking about students in Elementary School and Middle School, meaning they're at max something like 14 years old.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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post #187

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Walter's comment could be applied exactly as well to an argument that there shouldn't be electricity in schools (after all, kids survived without electricity just fine for decades).

If 99.9% of what electricity was used for in a class for was a distraction, this might be a reasonable argument. It's not, though. But I'd wager that 99.9% of cellphone use during class is.

Then they needed to make THAT argument. They did not, argument was lazy "it did not existed in the past, so" thing.

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That's a rare circumstance that is made to seem more common by very wide media coverage. And even in that sort of situation, it seems doubtful that it actually helps anybody either. Some parents will show up and get in the way of emergence responders. Most kids who call their parents will end up surviving anyway, and the phonecalls end up increasing the number of people who get PTSD from the whole thing. If a modest…

These kinds of calculations aren't useful to a typical US parent who, after the Uvalde disaster, has absolutely no reason to trust law enforcement to handle such a situation competently, and every reason to distrust them. Why should they assume that the cops in their town are any better than Uvalde's? They're going to hear "your kid can't have their phone in our school" and think of this.

Whether or not the cops in your town are shit, your kid having a cellphone doesn't help.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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Are you alright? This reads like it was written by someone actively experiencing psychosis or a manic episode.

GGP here. This was my reaction as well, though I fully admit to projecting my own experiences. I relate to this style of discourse...

Anyways, I wanted to note that I appreciated seeing this comment. Folks tend to have a hard time empathizing with this sort of thing.

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