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Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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Google was the company that kept making the web better in every way. Amazing search, endless services each with solid json APIs, a fast multi-process web-browser, & investment in the web as a whole. Google killed the king, and the king was the desktop. The king was apps. Microsoft seemed omnipotent & in total control, and the rise of the web isn't totally Google's but they sure did a lot and they sure rode that wave.…

I don't really understand this. Don't you think search, mail, docs, maps, adsense, were products? What were the API platforms they were making up until G+? To my recollection, G+ was actually pretty good at launch. It just was killed (or hobbled, for future killing) incredibly early for a network-effects, non-first mover product.

I'd disagree with parent a smidge and say Google turned evil when it became a platform.

When it was a disparate group of products... incentives were generally aligned with the users of those products.

When they began to look at themselves as a platform company (Google search-on-everything, Android, Chrome), that fundamentally broke and they started making sound-platform-business but user-hostile decisions.

So I guess the moral of that story is that platforms will make you rich, but you have to be very careful to enunciate your value priorities clearly to users. (E.g. Apple: "privacy"; Google: "openness"?)

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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but the work that Googlers do most of HN can do its the proximity, pedigree, profile that you have to fit to get in to Google I'm happy for those that made it. Not everybody gets to work for Google. But the work they do are no less challenging or more important than what the rest of us do. If anything FAANG has contributed greatly to the American Firewall of Algorithms and have destroyed an entire generation's abilit…

> "if they are paying you a large salary, what they take from you is far greater" Hmm, this seems like a nice thing to tell oneself to avoid feeling underpaid :)

is that what you tell yourself? mine was aimed at the notion that salaried compensation especially if its very large implies an asymmetrical return for the company.

for one, it would buy loyalty. Not many Googlers stood up when they realized their technology was enabling military drone strikes on children.

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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> working 60% or 80% were fantastic for my lifestyle and building relationships outside of work

Whoah, it seems fantastic! That alone seems like a good reason to work for Google. Unfortunately, none of the companies I worked for was interested in less than 100%. I told them many times, you can keep your money, I just want to spend 20% or 30% less time at work, but they always insisted on 100%. I have a feeling they would go for 120% if legally allowed.

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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The traditional view is that young engineers should join startups in hope of a massive payoff if one goes big, but working for 10 years at BigCo with good salary and stock plans can set you up for life without any risk. One path to avoid is the one I took which was to work at a big tech co as a contractor. Good rates but nothing to show for it after 10 years other than the experience and whatever I had put in my 401K…

I don't know that sounds very optimistic. I'm 10 in tech and L6 now. I'm definitely not set for life, like, not even close.

A compromise would be joining a Unicorn that is post IPO but is hiring like crazy and growing fast. Hang onto the company stock rather than diversifying into index funds hoping it will grow much faster than average/split etc. No risk and big rewards.

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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I don't know that sounds very optimistic. I'm 10 in tech and L6 now. I'm definitely not set for life, like, not even close.

The key is to move out of the bay area as soon as you have a 2M net worth.

This is the other mistake I made - not moving away - now I have grandkids here and have to stay - tough life I know :-)

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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I would be willing to pay based on usage. But my usage is so low that the current price feels horrendous per hour.

> But my usage is so low that the current price feels horrendous per hour. I don’t know how you can decry video streaming and advertising as destroying the planet and thus hating one of the companies that provide these services YET you use it.

I use well below 1 hour of YouTube per month, many months zero. And I never click any ads (nor are the products they advertise relevant for me, they cannot track me and I am far from the average consumer) So if it were only users like me Google would have been long out of business. Obviously I have an ecological footprint, I try to keep it small, but without being a collector and hunter living in a cave.

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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That certainly isn't true of youtube. It, exclusively, holds a lot of videos. It's not like I can just watch random youtuber on vimeo or some kind of gnutube.

FWIW, about a third of the high-quality creators I subscribed to on YouTube initially, also maintain a presence on Nebula. It's not enough to fully switch, but at the very least I get their stuff without mis-gendered advertising — as seen the other day on YouTube, where I was presented with an unskippable ad for sanitary pads.

What portion of the low quality creators you subscribe to?

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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I've always wondered if privacy conscious engineers who work at Google do actually use Google's services for their personal lives (Google Drive, Google Photos, Gmail, Google Calendar, Google Keep, Google Docs, etc.)? And if so, do they continue to use them when after leaving the company? I ask this question here because there seem to be quite some (ex-)Google employees in this thread.

I work at google and I use google products. Sure, some giant automated heap of code is processing your data and deciding how many grammerly adverts to show you, but your data is about as safe as it can be from loss or from humans. There are so many controls and checks in place when working with user data it's difficult to get things done some times (and quite rightly too).

How do we explain the deletion of the $135 billion Australian pension fund data that happened to UniSuper?

Due to "an inadvertent misconfiguration of the GCVE service by Google operators due to leaving a parameter blank"?

https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/infrastructure/detail...

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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L6 ICs are pretty rare - it already is a top tier of seniority in engineering Is Google really different from other companies? I talk to a lot of Amazonians (AWS Hero, FreeBSD/EC2 maintainer) and my general impression is that developers below L7 ought to be classified as "Junior" -- my mapping is basically L4-L6 = Junior Developer, L7/L8 = Developer, and L10 = Senior Developer. Anything which doesn't have L7+ involve…

This is a weird take. L10 IC is VP/Distinguished Engineer.
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