I wouldn't have minded if it didn't cost $240 bucks just to upgrade the ram...
New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton
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Re: New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is not true for all new MacBook pro. All ram modules are soldered even for non retina display.
You got incorrect info, non-Retina Macbook Pros have upgradeable memory and you can already buy it from suppliers like Crucial and OWC.
thanks for correction. I am sorry for confusing the issue.
Re: New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton
#203Sorry but you have got to be a fucking idiot to buy one to be honest if that is the case. Apple are making an attempt to turn generic computers into disposable appliances with moves like these. I would never accept a compromise like that with a computer that I owned. My rationale is as follows: If I pay £1800 for one of those machines, I expect to be able to repair common problems easily. That's a lot of money sittin…
Wow, settle down. No need to freak out about this, just don't buy it.
I'm getting one with 16 GB of RAM. Pretty sure I won't want to upgrade that before I upgrade the whole machine in ~2 years.
Re: New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
Err, it's glued in which is considerably worse: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-with-Retina-Displ... Actually, looking through the entire teardown, I think the battery being glued in is worse than anything as levering it out is likely to cause the Li-Ion cells to blow up. Also consider how hard it is recycling that machine! Their summary: 1. Proprietary pentalobe screws prevent you from gaining access to a…
> 1. Proprietary pentalobe screws prevent you from gaining access to anything inside. Well, there's not much inside for a normal user to replace any more. > 2. As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out at 16GB now, or forever hold your peace—you can't upgrade. Just like CPUs and graphics cards have been for years. > 3. The proprietary SSD isn't upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar b…
The entire portion quoted there was from ifixit.com, not my mouth or brain. I just happen to agree with it.
The thing that you forget is that the moment that the warranty expires, those points become EVERY user's personal criteria.
You'll take it to a non-vendor sponsored repair shop and they'll say "no chance - can't fix it".
And for ref, I bought my HDTV (Bravia 26EX320) dead and repaired it. I recently bought a new car (2002 Land Rover Discovery) dead and repaired it.
Re: New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton
#205Sorry but you have got to be a fucking idiot to buy one to be honest if that is the case. Apple are making an attempt to turn generic computers into disposable appliances with moves like these. I would never accept a compromise like that with a computer that I owned. My rationale is as follows: If I pay £1800 for one of those machines, I expect to be able to repair common problems easily. That's a lot of money sittin…
Making components replaceable increases volume, weight, and cost. If you want replaceable components, go buy a computer for which that is a feature - and know that you will get a machine which is larger, heavier, and more expensive (all other factors being equal). Swapable components require additional casing, connectors, testing, sales channels, etc. You're not going to get a 3/4" 5-lb 7-hour 256GB-SSD 8GB-RAM MBA R…
You're not an idiot, you just like Apple and have enough money not to care about getting ripped off.
This design decision has nothing to do with reducing "volume, weight and cost". It has everything to do with hosing the customer on memory, as that has been a very lucrative business on the iPad.
Re: New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton
#206http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-with-Retina-Displ...
- MacBook Pro with Retina Display 15" Mid 2012 Repairability Score: 1 out of 10 (10 is easiest to repair).
- Proprietary pentalobe screws prevent you from gaining access to anything inside.
- As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out at 16GB now, or forever hold your peace—you can't upgrade.
- The proprietary SSD isn't upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar but not identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and we’re hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.
- The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the case, which increases the chances that it'll break during disassembly. The battery also covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases the chance that the user will shear the cable in the battery removal process.
- The display assembly is completely fused, and there’s no glass protecting it. If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to replace the entire extremely expensive assembly.
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Re: New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton
#207Sorry but you have got to be a fucking idiot to buy one to be honest if that is the case. Apple are making an attempt to turn generic computers into disposable appliances with moves like these. I would never accept a compromise like that with a computer that I owned. My rationale is as follows: If I pay £1800 for one of those machines, I expect to be able to repair common problems easily. That's a lot of money sittin…
Laptop CPUs have been soldered in for as long as I can remember. We've all come to accept that as a perfectly reasonable compromise. With the exception of some high-end gaming laptops, GPUs are also soldered in.
Apple have made the perfectly reasonable decision to maximise portability for the 99% of users who never upgrade any component, over the 1% for whom upgradability matters. To dismiss people with different priorities to yours as idiotic is, to be frank, the reason nobody liked you at school.
The benefits of Apple's approach are obvious - they have substantially reduced the bulk of each generation of machine, whilst still improving performance and battery life.
We've already been through this debate in the automotive industry. Cars used to be readily maintainable and modifiable, but miserably unreliable. Electronics and sealed units hugely increased reliability. Auto enthusiasts lamented this change as an assault on the amateur mechanic and the march of disposable consumerism, but the market never looked back. Most people don't care that they can't remap the ECU in their car and most people don't care if their RAM isn't replaceable. That's a perfectly reasonable viewpoint.
Re: New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton
#208Sorry but you have got to be a fucking idiot to buy one to be honest if that is the case. Apple are making an attempt to turn generic computers into disposable appliances with moves like these. I would never accept a compromise like that with a computer that I owned. My rationale is as follows: If I pay £1800 for one of those machines, I expect to be able to repair common problems easily. That's a lot of money sittin…
You're relatively new here, so you may not be familiar with our community's culture. Please read the guidelines: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html In particular, note: Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face to face conversation.
Technically, no one owns one of these yet, so the expressed remark is directed at the design, and decisions behind the design. Also, the reasoning is provided as well. If it crosses the line, it's mostly because of the profanity in itself, though I don't see the need for a reprimand.
Re: New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton
#209http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-with-Retina-Displ... - MacBook Pro with Retina Display 15" Mid 2012 Repairability Score: 1 out of 10 (10 is easiest to repair). - Proprietary pentalobe screws prevent you from gaining access to anything inside. - As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out at 16GB now, or forever hold your peace—you can't upgrade. - The proprietary SSD isn't upgrad…
The no scroll edition:
* MacBook Pro with Retina Display 15" Mid 2012 Repairability Score: 1 out of 10 (10 is easiest to repair).
* Proprietary pentalobe screws prevent you from gaining access to anything inside.
* As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out at 16GB now, or forever hold your peace—you can't upgrade.
* The proprietary SSD isn't upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar but not identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and we’re hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.
* The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the case, which increases the chances that it'll break during disassembly. The battery also covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases the chance that the user will shear the cable in the battery removal process.
* The display assembly is completely fused, and there’s no glass protecting it. If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to replace the entire extremely expensive assembly.
Re: New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton
#210Time to test my soldering skills...