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Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by sureIy »

FinnKuhn wrote: post #146
miohtama wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ryanair wants to make it harder for consumer to compare prices.

And Ryanair wants to upsell you during the buying process, which they can't do as well, if you don't buy on their site.

This is the reason.

Nothing is stopping airlines from offering 1-click bookings, except that lengthy funnels bring in tons of cash. Ryanair has been a master at this since the beginning of time.

In 2020 I booked a flight directly on Google Flights and the booking was complete before I even realized, it was so simple. I never found that UI again.

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Post by fermisea »

xienze wrote: post #149
SoftTalker wrote: post #96

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We used to regulate air travel. It was a lot more expensive then.

> We used to regulate air travel. It was a lot more expensive then. I'm not sure this is the gotcha you think it is. Air travel, even in coach, was downright luxury compared to where it is today, and I'm not even talking about in the distant past, I'm talking about 25 or so years ago. Seats are narrower, legroom is practically nonexistent, and the seats only recline like two inches these days. Also almost everything…

So you believe poor people shouldn't be allowed to travel?

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by stonogo »

Wytwwww wrote: post #187
chx wrote: post #178

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I refuse the framing of tech bros exploiting African workers as "Much ballyhooing about neo-colonialism".

offering jobs well above prevailing local wages = exploiting I would assume you also believe that every single person working for a wage is also by definition exploiting regardless of where they are? Otherwise it would make very little sense...

Offering jobs in areas with laxer worker protections is arguably exploitative because in most or all of america this sort of work comes with counseling, due to the horrific nature of some of the content to be moderated. I don't know offhand of OpenAI ensured this was available; if not, that's a substantial financial savings at a cost of human suffering, which fits some folks' definition of exploitation.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by chrisjj »

Klonoar wrote: post #66
doix wrote: post #3

Pretty light article, does anyone have any more context? Does this set a strong precedent for all these types of sites? Booking.com wouldn't be the only site reselling airline tickets, in fact I wasn't even aware they did flights. Does Booking.com do something particularly bad compared to something like SkyScanner or Google flights? > "We expect that this ruling will end the internet piracy and overcharging perpetrat…

> Does Booking.com do something particularly bad compared to something like SkyScanner or Google flights? Presumably, given they're fine with Google Flights: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67873695 "In a statement, Ryanair described the online agents as "pirates". It said it would "continue to make its fares available to honest/transparent online travel agents such as Google Flights," which it said "do not add hid…

> honest/transparent online travel agents such as Google Flights

Disingenuous at best. Google Flights is not a Ryanair agent.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by chrisjj »

always_learning wrote: post #10

pretty bad precedent, id argue that anything thats publicly accesible is free to be scraped. So unless they did something illegal via bypassing security, then this sets a really bad tone for internet archival, web scraping and data collection in the future.

Simple scraping is one thing. Scraping to resell in breach of agreed terms is quite another.

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Post by nickpsecurity »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #193
arghwhat wrote: post #119

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And you still regulate it, just differently. The implied conclusion that regulation makes things expensive is wrong, and comparing the air travel market over half a century ago with the market today, and crediting a change made in 1978 for the difference doesn’t make sense. EU air travel is quite regulated with e.g. consumer rights for cash compensation, hotel and food service in case of delay, and yet air travel rea…

Can you cite examples of any industry or niche , anywhere in the world, that was newly regulated, and once regulation tool place, prices materially dropped? Geniuinely curious.

Everything about regulating Big Telecom. They didn’t want to run lines to people, drop long distance, increase broadband speed, etc. Each time, the behavior was countered by regulation or the threat of it.

Splitting MA Bell into the Baby Bells also helped for a while. Then, they started merging back together. Then, the oligopolies made service worse again.

If left on their own, they collude to do a minimum form of competition while cooperating on profitable ways to cheat customers. That’s called cartels. It’s as big a threat to the free market as governments.

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Post by nilamo »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #176
nilamo wrote: post #164

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Minimum wage is not applicable for gig work. It would basically be the same business model as companies like https://rev.com , which can be <$1 per video transcribed.

> which can be The average wage in Nigeria is about $25 per day [1]. The fundamental difference between Wyoming and West Africa is cost of living. [1] https://www.timedoctor.com/blog/average-salary-in-nigeria/

I fail to understand how that applies to what I said.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

nilamo wrote: post #207
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #176

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> which can be The average wage in Nigeria is about $25 per day [1]. The fundamental difference between Wyoming and West Africa is cost of living. [1] https://www.timedoctor.com/blog/average-salary-in-nigeria/

I fail to understand how that applies to what I said.

> fail to understand how that applies to what I said

"<$1 per video transcribed" may be an order of magnitude more expensive.

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Post by dantheman »

nickpsecurity wrote: post #206
IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you cite examples of any industry or niche , anywhere in the world, that was newly regulated, and once regulation tool place, prices materially dropped? Geniuinely curious.

Everything about regulating Big Telecom. They didn’t want to run lines to people, drop long distance, increase broadband speed, etc. Each time, the behavior was countered by regulation or the threat of it. Splitting MA Bell into the Baby Bells also helped for a while. Then, they started merging back together. Then, the oligopolies made service worse again. If left on their own, they collude to do a minimum form of co…

What are you talking about - that is deregulation. This was a government granted monopoly - you don't get more regulated than that.

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Post by qeternity »

mtmail wrote: post #168
schnebbau wrote: post #135

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Which part? Mechanical turk is an Amazon service for crowdsourcing work, and Africa has cheap IT literate labor so would be a good source for this type of work.

Cheap IT literate labor can be found around the world (also thanks to Mechanical Turk and similar services), no need to single out one region.

What is the issue with singling out a region with a factual statement?

It wasn't a pejorative comment. Africa and SE Asia have huge labor forces that perform this work.

People really need to stop trying so hard to be offended.

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