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Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

#201

Can an anti-reaction person explain what they find so distasteful about them? Is it that the other person wasn't willing to make the effort to type is seen as disrespectful? struggling to see what the problem is

I value my attention. I don't spent it on artificially generated responses. If someone wants to communicate with me I insist they put in some minimum level of effort. Before email, it took work to write a letter, which helped weed out low signal-to-noise communiques. Messages the likes of spam, LLM-generated content, and reactions go straight to my trash folder. I do view it as disrespectful (more precisely, lacking…

Geez. You complain about disrespect, and then you explain you want everyone to cater to your particular requirements and waste their own time (instead of using the feature designed to save everyone's time) because you... "value your attention"?

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

#202

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Using words. Same as here on Hacker News.

Ironically, since HN tends to dislike short content-less posts, which means quite often unless we have something more to say, we do not respond at all. That is, there is no ack signal.

lol

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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post #65

This kinda reminds me of a feature Windows (Phone) used to have, where it would share your Wi-Fi password with the device's contacts automatically. To opt-out you had to add _optout to the SSID name. https://www.theregister.com/2015/06/30/windows_10_wi_fi_sens... It looks like this feature was removed eventually, but it's just one of those tasteless things that MS does every once in a while.

This just reminds me of my theory of Microsoft's checklist-driven development: Some PM writes down some single-sentence description of a feature (e.g. "Share Wi-Fi passwords with contacts") and the developers just read the list and find the single least-effort way of implementing it. Once done, they can tick the item off the list and go home having done their job, although often in the most excruciatingly stupid way…

I do wonder of is partially not caused by the fact that underneath, Outlook and Exchange aren't massively using SMTP or MIME, they use MAPI which is built around X.400 even if it's no longer available to run Exchange work external X.400 connectivity.

Take that background, and how MAPI essentially prioritises internal email capabilities, and slowly a perfect storm for creation of such misfeatures emerges.

Internally to a corporation, in Outlook/MAPI/Exchange way richer world, implementing such a feature is both simple and possibly easy more useful (less annoying emails to write when you want to just give a short reaction).

But then you hit two confounding factors - systems outside of corporate Exchange server - so instead of using a richer messaging feature you make it into extra text message - and systemd outside the corporate, where your message now leaks out.

This way you can start with reasonably well thought out user story, and end with crap like the way reactions work - and weird extra headers

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

#204
post #93

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Well 'ack' is even shorter, and the common form of 'ACKNOWLEDGED' for such use. I've seen & used both ack & wilco in a technical/software chat context.

I use this, though I find that many folks, including many technical folks, interpret it as an exclamation of distaste (as in, "agh! ach! ack!"), so it may pay to be judicious.

Oh interesting, I have come across that, but only one person (both uses it like that and misinterpreted it when we worked with people that ack'd, which of course I saw coming & could explain since I was accustomed to his use) - didn't realise that was common too. (I would use agh/argh/ugh for that personally, depending on precise feeling(!))

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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post #64

Can an anti-reaction person explain what they find so distasteful about them? Is it that the other person wasn't willing to make the effort to type is seen as disrespectful? struggling to see what the problem is

I, just like the blog author, disable remote images in emails. So I wouldn't get the "intended experience" anyway. Actually, does anyone besides Outlook users get the intended experience here? Second, "reactions" are not part of the email culture or the standard email specs. It's unexpected and awkward. So it's not being "anti-reaction" in general, it's being against some feature that only works in MS email apps, whi…

Most corporate users are Outlook users - looking at the stats for some of our customers, most of their messages go straight back to Exchange instead of any other e-mail host

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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post #158

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Come over to my place and we can possibly be the first people ever to bond over their home wifi SSIDs ;)

I really miss the days when people put time and thought in to their SSIDs instead of using the defaults

There's a certain comfort, and security, from the anonymity afforded by randomly generated SSIDs.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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post #142

Apple added the same thing for iMessage/SMS. It worked as expected if the group message was all Apple users. But if you were the unfortunate person outside the ecosystem, you would get spammed with ‘{person} liked “{message}”’. In some cases, people would react to the reaction leading to some ridiculous chains of text.

This reminds of when Microsoft released a comic strip chat client for IRC. You would have these people popping into IRC channels with all kinds of metadata about their character. It was fine for them, but super annoying for everybody with a normal client.

I guess it was designed to be used with MSN servers, but people used them to connect to the "regular" ones as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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post #190

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I’m not an Outlook user, and I really dislike the product. But I wish the feature that you can write say @joel to get someone’s attention in large email threads with too many on CC would have been adopted by more mail clients.

I'm a Linux user myself, but I've since given up on using a standalone email client, and just use the Outlook web interface...

Thunderbird.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This just reminds me of my theory of Microsoft's checklist-driven development: Some PM writes down some single-sentence description of a feature (e.g. "Share Wi-Fi passwords with contacts") and the developers just read the list and find the single least-effort way of implementing it. Once done, they can tick the item off the list and go home having done their job, although often in the most excruciatingly stupid way…

Because this is Microsoft we shall apply Gates' razor and must thus conclude that "never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice".

I believe you mean Hanlon's Razor?

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

#210

I kind of get why we don’t like this in email, but for SMS and Slack I’ve thoroughly enjoyed reactions. They’re a way to say “I received this and have a positive reaction to it, with no further communication necessary”. Replaces a lot of useless typing I had to do to sound polite when saying “fine, no further comment”. And then getting a notification from the other party acknowledging my acknowledgment… yuck.

My friend interned at the FAA 20 years ago. He said the norm there was to write "Concur without comment." I thought that was brilliant. Of course, when I use it in conversation, no one gets my reference and thinks I am weird. But that is going to happen anyway.

wilco
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