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Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by makeitdouble » Tue, Jul 16, 2024, 11:05 PM UTC

1970-01-01 wrote: post #195

rsynnott wrote: post #168

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This might be a regional thing; "striking workers" in a standard usage in, at least, British and Irish English.

Striking in American means it will be shocking and arresting to view or behold. The Grand Canyon is striking in size. Striking in EU is put on the calendar for Monday. The pilot union is striking until the coffee is served at the perfect temperature.

> The pilot union is striking until the coffee is served at the perfect temperature.

Getting third degree burns at 35000 feet in the sky would sure ruffle some feathers.

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by sangnoir » Tue, Jul 16, 2024, 11:52 PM UTC

Teever wrote: post #200

waynesonfire wrote: post #187

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It'll be too expensive, you wont have access to affortable resources.

You expect the cost of a self replicating object to remain out of reach of the average person? Why don't you think it would follow the same cost curve as integrated circuits?

> You expect the cost of a self replicating object to remain out of reach of the average person?

Yes. What's the cost of relocating software, or a movie, or an audio file? Very close to 0 (a few cents at most), and yet observe how much our current system prices each of those items. Capitalism, as practiced today, maximizes profits, not competition, I don't see that changing any time soon

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by Xen9 » Wed, Jul 17, 2024, 12:24 AM UTC

cutemonster wrote: post #124

jncfhnb wrote: post #118

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Don’t think that needed clarification from “pet”

Pets are treated pretty well usually? "Cattle" may be a better word?

The distinction between a pet and a cattle is that the cattle the owner has a dependency to but a pet may one can dispose at will. To the treatment of pets I would say that the treatment has less relevance than the complete stripping of autonomy for after your existence has become an instrument of one's will, your the meaning of your existence ceases the moment one finds a better tool. ALSO I would argue that this – especially, in the historical sense – may well be the essence & causality of this WHOLE thing.

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by Xen9 » Wed, Jul 17, 2024, 12:47 AM UTC

cutemonster wrote: post #199

Xen9 wrote: post #178

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Soviet revolution comes to mind.

That's not comparable to Russia today. Now there are surveillance cameras, internet surveillance and machine learning, but not back then. Also it wouldn't have happened hadn't it been for Gorbatjov who introduced the glasnost (transparency) policy reform. Another Stalin, and history would have looked different.

I did not intend it as a serious point. However, the Zuboffian trade that you mention will end in most of the species having no autonomy left to trade for comfort, completing a historical trend: land ownership for service access, self-sufficiency for product quality et cetera

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by sunrisetiger » Wed, Jul 17, 2024, 1:38 AM UTC

alephnerd wrote: post #31

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Can you tell us what happened to the Doctors strike ?

When Korean Legislative Elections were around the corner in early 2024, the incumbent govenenent announced an increase in the number of seats at medical programs in SK as a populist Hail Mary. Yet they did NOT increase the number of resident positions and left reimbursement rates at the same level as almost a decade ago. Also, the average doctor in SK works 100 hours a week instead of 60 like in the US. This meant th…

Being a doctor in Japan has too many requirements and has a strong network tied to schools with the "good old boys".

If they have English skills, many aim for America and other Anglophone nations. But ironically, the American Medical Association pushed for caps on schools and residencies like their Korean counterparts and it was rather humorous seeing trainee doctors complaining about this.

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by colordrops » Wed, Jul 17, 2024, 3:19 AM UTC

lmpdev wrote: post #167

colordrops wrote: post #8

My brother had back surgery in Scottsdale, and his roommate was getting surgery to repair his pinky, which was destroyed in a welding incident in the Samsung plant being built in the area. Made me wonder about the safety of the workers there.

How does one destroy a pinky from welding? I don’t doubt it, just curious how that occurred?

A large pipe that was being welded wasn't secure and fell on his hand.

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by eru » Wed, Jul 17, 2024, 4:52 AM UTC

TOMDM wrote: post #114

eru wrote: post #110

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Why call it 'loss', if it was outsourced? UnAmericans are also human.

Where else would you apply this reasoning? If I lose my phone it doesn't stop being a phone...

Yes, but it's probably useless for anyone else (because of locking).

And if you break your phone, it stops being a (useful) phone.

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by eru » Wed, Jul 17, 2024, 4:56 AM UTC

cageface wrote: post #112

eru wrote: post #109

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People are pretty expensive. So far we have automated more and more, including and especially grunt work. Why would grunt work come back? Especially if you have machines that can help you design more efficient machines, and can help you re-design production processes to be more efficient and amenable to further automation.

People in first world countries, with education, health care, good housing etc are expensive. If you're willing to deny them all that then they're cheap and easy to replace. Whereas building a machine that can do even the basics of what a human hand can do is quite expensive.

> If you're willing to deny them all that then they're cheap and easy to replace.

It's not about what the employer is willing to do, it's about what people are willing to accept; especially if there's competition for their services.

> Whereas building a machine that can do even the basics of what a human hand can do is quite expensive.

We even have robots that can wash dishes, and they are cheap enough to be in a substantial proportion of households. There's lots of of basics and not so basics that we automated.

Of course, build a machine that can do _all_ the basics of a human hand is expensive (at least so far). But people can and have arranged their business processes around these limitations: you don't expect your welding robots to wash dishes; you use a dishwasher for that.

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by eru » Wed, Jul 17, 2024, 5:02 AM UTC

justinclift wrote: post #172

trealira wrote: post #111

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Why do you think the word "loss" implies they think non-Americans aren't human?

Pretty sure the point was that the jobs are just being moved around, not "lost".

I was specifically interested in the contrast to automation alluded to in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40970901

A job can be truly 'lost' if it's replaced by a machine. But it's merely reshuffled, if a foreigner does it.

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by cageface » Wed, Jul 17, 2024, 5:55 AM UTC

eru wrote: post #208

cageface wrote: post #112

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People in first world countries, with education, health care, good housing etc are expensive. If you're willing to deny them all that then they're cheap and easy to replace. Whereas building a machine that can do even the basics of what a human hand can do is quite expensive.

> If you're willing to deny them all that then they're cheap and easy to replace. It's not about what the employer is willing to do, it's about what people are willing to accept; especially if there's competition for their services. > Whereas building a machine that can do even the basics of what a human hand can do is quite expensive. We even have robots that can wash dishes, and they are cheap enough to be in a sub…

I take it you've never lived in a developing country? People there don't have much bargaining power.

For example, when I lived in Vietnam I'd often see a road crew of ten people with shovels because it was cheaper than hiring one backhoe. A washing machine would be an unimaginable luxury for all of them.