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Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by novagameco »

galdosdi wrote: post #193
novagameco wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well 5mph isn't really speeding; as far I know they set the speed limits 5mph lower than they really are (e.g: 55mph means 60mph). But trust me, the imaginary police are very much not imaginary. I got a couple speeding tickets before I decided I wasn't going to deal with the courts ever again. Now, I do the speed limit. I see cops everywhere on the highways in my state and they definitely will pull you over going 10-…

> Well 5mph isn't really speeding Hold on now, that's just an opinion. And while it happens to kind of match mine, everyone's opinion on how much speeding is "really speeding" is kind of different, up to a point. Kind of proves my point-- I don't want something stopping me from doing 5MPH or 10MPH or even 15MPH over the limit if circumstances outside of my control indicate I should (NYC is a good example of an area w…

If the entire country had speed limiters and they increased the speed limits by 5mph to make 55 match 60, I'd be happy. I just have no sympathy for people who think it's their god given right to go as fast as they think they need to go.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

Next step: frustrated by variances between acutal and reckoned speed limits, consumers demand the limit is returned by an authoritative government API. Of course, authentication will be required to prevent abuse

Next next step: speed API uses social credit score as an input and imposes lower limit for those disfavored by credit system

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

barryrandall wrote: post #140

"The objective is to protect Europeans against traffic accidents, poor air quality and climate change, empower them with new mobility solutions that match their changing needs, and defend the competitiveness of European industry," Do speed limiters, as proposed, meaningfully contribute to achieving those objectives?

When the issue is supported by random claims that no one cares to check, why can’t the solution?

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Post by nradov »

bigfudge wrote: post #144
kodt wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This could make it impossible or dangerous to pass in many situations where it may be necessary to temporarily exceed the speed limit.

You sound like a motoring journalist. Honestly, if you’re exceeding the speed limit to pass you’re unlikely to be gaining much anyway. 99% of the time people should just chill out and accept that driving a car already comes with so many unpaid externalities that not killing other people with your tonne of steel is a reasonable compromise. Speed is the major contributor to mortality and injury on the roads (and in dev…

What a ridiculous comment. Have you ever been stuck behind a slow vehicle? It seems like some of the idealists and scolds here have never driven in the real world.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by bigfudge »

gambiting wrote: post #152
bigfudge wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You sound like a motoring journalist. Honestly, if you’re exceeding the speed limit to pass you’re unlikely to be gaining much anyway. 99% of the time people should just chill out and accept that driving a car already comes with so many unpaid externalities that not killing other people with your tonne of steel is a reasonable compromise. Speed is the major contributor to mortality and injury on the roads (and in dev…

>>Also, can some describe in detail a scenario where accelerating makes things safer than simply slowing down Mostly in a situation where you've already messed up. Like you're in a middle of an overtake and suddenly you realize you're not going to make it before the incoming car, speeding up to close the gap can save your life in a way that slamming the brakes and just getting hit head-on wouldn't. And yes, you shoul…

This scenario doesn’t make sense. In every case if you slow down and pull in you will have less chance of hitting a car coming the other way.

If limits were there it sounds like you think this scenario would also become less common?

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Post by userulluipeste »

zehaeva wrote: post #134
kodt wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This could make it impossible or dangerous to pass in many situations where it may be necessary to temporarily exceed the speed limit.

So if every car is following the speed limit, that is going as fast as they are allowed, why would any one person be passing someone else?

Well, you see, it's for the cases where not every car is going as fast as they are allowed.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by zehaeva »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #169
zehaeva wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the solution to a lane ending unexpectedly is to speed up? One would imagine that slowing down or even stopping would be the correct solution there.

Stopping in traffic is almost never the safest option If you are approaching and have room but someone is closing the gap, it may indeed be safer to speed up so you can take the spot before it closes and you are forced to stop Granted, drivers should not be taking away the room you need to merge, but if everyone on the road were good drivers then we might not be seeking such nannying tech built into our cars to force…

If all vehicles are limited in the same way I am uncertain how this could even happen.

If the computer enforced max speed is 120km, and I'm going 120km, and the vehicle coming up is also going 120km, they can't overtake you, they can't close the gap.

Maybe, if the vehicle ahead of both of you is going much slower than either of you then yeah, they could close the gap. But even in that situation you could speed up to the max speed, matching that of the approaching vehicle, and merge. You'd still need to slow down to match the vehicle ahead, but so too would the one behind you, regardless of what you were going to do.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by slau »

causalmodels wrote: post #72
VyseofArcadia wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed that the general case is hard to solve. I think you could at least make a case for solving a simpler problem. What's the highest legal speed limit in the country in which the car was sold? Set a global speed limit to that.

Doesn't the autobahn have unrestricted sections with no speed limit?

Well, yes, but not really. The recommended speed limit is still 130 km/h. However going past the recommended speed limit is not illegal.

If you get into an accident while going faster than 130km/h which could have been prevented by going the advised speed limit, you may be considered more liable by the courts. I’ve heard that there may be cases where your insurance might not cover you, but I’ve never found proof of that online.

Edit: rephrased “decriminalised” as “not illegal” as per comment.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by anunes »

alfalfasprout wrote: post #107
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #11

Please oh please add them to German cars sold to USA too. I would really enjoy watching all the BMWs and Mercedes going the speed limit all the time instead of flying past me with plate obscuring devices and never seeing any consequences

This isn't a problem if you just stay in the right lane.

Yeah, if only a pedestrian or a cyclist or a regular person who isn't out of their mind would "stay in the right lane" and let me go vrooom vrooom, then we would be satisfied! /s

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by jbritton »

zehaeva wrote: post #134
kodt wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This could make it impossible or dangerous to pass in many situations where it may be necessary to temporarily exceed the speed limit.

So if every car is following the speed limit, that is going as fast as they are allowed, why would any one person be passing someone else?

I’m in the US. If you’re on say hwy 395 heading to Mammoth Mountain, the highway is frequently one lane in each direction. If the max speed limit is 70mph, you may come up on a semi truck doing 60mph and you will want to pass using the lane with on coming traffic. This means you need to do 85mph to pass. For this reason our max speed limit laws are woefully inadequate at accounting for real life conditions.
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