Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide • Hacker News Board

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

#201

Post by FactKnower69 » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 5:53 AM UTC

p51-remorse wrote: post #55

jrmg wrote: post #46

Artillery crew members who fired thousands of rounds in combat came home plagued by hallucinations and psychosis Could this problem also be affecting civilian gun enthusiasts? Or is the order of magnitude of the exposure just wildly lower compared to the military, even in the most enthusiastic?

If you ever get the chance, go shoot some small caliber weapons. I think everyone should at some point to have a baseline in their head for what guns are. Plus, I think it’d be good for people to know you can become really hard to hit by all but the best shooters by… walking away slowly in a zigzag. Near impossible if you run. And then if you have a chance to be around some small artillery, do that too. It’s hard to…

>Plus, I think it’d be good for people to know you can become really hard to hit by all but the best shooters by… walking away slowly in a zigzag. Near impossible if you run.

I hope they never invent a gun that fires more than once per trigger pull, then you would be able to just sweep it around in the general direction of Invincible Mr. Zig

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

#202

Post by mrob » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 6:01 AM UTC

justin66 wrote: post #145

djmips wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And how do you know that?

Shooting as a popular passtime has been around long enough that we know what the risks are: commonly tinnitus, rarely injuries related to what the firearm actually does, more rarely lead poisoning. On the other hand, artillery and rockets are extremely loud. If you want to look it up and start comparing things, keep in mind that every 3 decibels represents a doubling in pressure, so a howitzer having twenty or thirty…

A 3 decibel increase represents a doubling in sound energy. Sound energy is proportional to the square of sound pressure, so you need a 6 decibel increase for a doubling in pressure.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

#203

Post by exe34 » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 6:02 AM UTC

moomin wrote: post #31

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Equality should mean equality! :D

Ask anyone with half a brain who sincerely believes in gender equality if men should take a pay cut and they’ll say no, women deserve what the men are paid. The draft should work the same way.

i thought the "gender pay gap" was due to different jobs and amount of time worked - otherwise companies would hire only women and have to pay out way less in wages.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

#204

Post by exe34 » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 6:06 AM UTC

lukan wrote: post #196

ok_dad wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukraine doesn’t have 350 million citizens and the world’s 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 7th largest air forces, ten times more aircraft carriers than the next country, the worlds most effective military training, and a total military budget of more than the next 15 or 20 countries. If we sent troops to Ukraine, Russia would be out within weeks, and we’d have less casualties than Iraq and Afghanistan, assuming Putin didn’t start…

"If we sent troops to Ukraine, Russia would be out within weeks, and we’d have less casualties than Iraq and Afghanistan, assuming Putin didn’t start nuking." Big assumption. Other options are also North Korea sending troops. Or Iran. Or while the US engages there, China uses the opportunity to take Taiwan. Geopolitics is complicated. No one wants a nuclear war, but at some point there is no more rationality, when a…

the US can fight three peer wars at the same time. that's their military doctrine.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

#205

Post by beachy » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 6:07 AM UTC

magicalhippo wrote: post #141

financltravsty wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An interesting thought popped off in my head: what if it does, and the crowd that leans heavily into enthusiast firearm usage is giving themselves micro-TBIs -- could that over the years create certain changes in personality and psychological workings that lead to certain, similar outcomes? E.g. could it be correlated with political affiliation? Don't read into it too much, though. This isn't snark or passive aggress…

The thing I suspect will prevent this from being an issue for sports shooters is that I'm not sure the energy in typical sport shooting calibers is enough to induce micro-TBIs. Sports shooters who shoot larger calibers, ie a 7.62 NATO or higher in terms of sound energy, are typically shooting relatively few rounds at a time. Those who shoot a lot of rounds typically shoot smaller calibers. Now, I think you might have…

I did a lot of clay target shooting with 12 gauge shotgun when I was young. That involves a lot of shots each session with pretty powerful cartridges, I'd suspect it is more deleterious than target shooting, even with large calibre guns.

Don't know about micro-TBIs but it sure fucked up my hearing.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

#206

Post by Log_out_ » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 6:08 AM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #12

kjkjadksj wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I’ve heard from people in artillery is that the brass hardly cares about occupational safety. If they need to get rounds down field they get rounds down field first and make sure you have proper ppe for that second. And what ppe they do have is seen as improper. Not much you can even do when the issue is local blast damage and the gun design demands you to be so close to it.

Yet another reason to not join the military. You’re just fuel for the machine. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/06/14/armys-recruit...

Thats a nice sentiment you got there. Mind if i take it: Every dictator everywhere everytime. And it turns out the international order cant survive defectors.one large party going imperial or isolatinist and its bsck to olden times.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

#207

Post by logicchains » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 6:12 AM UTC

vitus wrote: post #61

mc32 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These days we have a senate committee approving a bill that would register women for the draught… it’s getting closer. Men aren’t enough, for this machine, apparently.

Eh. Historically, the rationale for excluding women from the draft was that they weren't eligible to serve in combat roles, voluntarily or otherwise. (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rostker_v._Goldberg ) That policy changed by 2016, so the rationale no longer holds. With that said, we also haven't had mandatory conscription since the Vietnam War, and I think it's unlikely that we would any time in the near future…

>Historically, the rationale for excluding women from the draft was that they weren't eligible to serve in combat roles, voluntarily or otherwise

Historically countries didn't let women fight in wars because they didn't want their civilisation to die out. If a country loses a double-digit percent of its men it can still repopulate just as quickly, because one man can make multiple women pregnant, while if it loses its women then it takes significantly longer to repopulate, because one woman can't have multiple babies at the same time so the birthrate will necessarily be reduced.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

#208

Post by raffraffraff » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 6:16 AM UTC

WalterBright wrote: post #175

ok_dad wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily here in America we have hundreds of millions of men and women to give up to the altar of democracy, right? We’re not France in 1915 or 1939. Not only that, but maybe you want to consider more modern war’s attrition rates.

Ukraine is now drafting old men.

I haven't checked their current age limit but I bet it makes me feel old.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

#209

Post by japhyr » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 6:19 AM UTC

Semaphor wrote: post #149

japhyr wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in a small town with a gun dealer who is not particularly thoughtful about others. One year he had a truck-mounted cannon made for the fourth of july parade, and he fired it off numerous times throughout the parade. Everyone who didn't already have their ears covered, including so many young kids, doubled over each time it went off. He just laughed at everyone, even with kids crying on both sides of the street…

And that’s not a crime?

I have no idea; it's certainly not one that's seen any prosecution.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

#210

Post by ahtihn » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 6:20 AM UTC

WalterBright wrote: post #175

ok_dad wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily here in America we have hundreds of millions of men and women to give up to the altar of democracy, right? We’re not France in 1915 or 1939. Not only that, but maybe you want to consider more modern war’s attrition rates.

Ukraine is now drafting old men.

If Ukraine needs to draft people at all, they should just surrender. If they can't maintain the manpower they need just with volounteers, then clearly the population has "voted" that they'd rather not fight.