Live data from Hacker News

Fast Crimes at Lambda School

sandofsky.com

201–210 of 354 posts

Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

#201

Not sure about other states, but California has super low cost junior colleges with CS classes. It seems like the Austen’s of the world would advise people to start there and see how they do rather than jump into a $50k commitment. The other baffling thing about Lambda was that companies had to pay Lambda to recruit their students.

Yep. Here's how it breaks down for the CC I attended.

https://www.cuesta.edu/student/resources/cashier/cost_of_att...

Additionally, at Cuesta the first month of bus rides is free, and the bus tickets themselves can be purchased at ~50 bucks a month. It's not too hard to find some roommates in town and get some cheap rent, too.

In return, you can get a curriculum that closely follows that of Cal Poly (often with teachers who teach at both institutions!), and a fairly successful transfer program.

Of course once you get into the university the costs are much higher, but you don't have mandatory dorms anymore, but you did two years on the cheap, and when you combine financial aid, scholarships, and federal student loans it's not ridiculous to have $20k or less in debt by the time you graduate. With a decent job in tech, that can be paid off in under a year.

Unfortunately, the job market is really tough right now for fresh grads, so that last part is where this falls apart, but I'd wager it's relatively easier for someone with a proper four-year degree than someone with a bootcamp credential.

Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

#202

The HN comment originally made by 'austenallred in https://www.sandofsky.com/content/images/2024/05/image-13.pn... is still available at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13502774 but is now by user '_pecl. The ownership of the comment changed between July 3, 2019 and January 31, 2020 according to https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://news.ycombinator.com/i... . I guess the author realized it reflected badly on hi…

Dang just banned my other account because I questioned if the comment was really just Austen using his network of burners. pretty obvious the HN people are in cohoots with their precious Austen and don't want to see his terrible reputation tarnished even more

No idea which account you're referring to but I certainly haven't banned anyone for that reason. In fact I just restored your other comments in this thread.

Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

#203
post #62

It's really too bad. Higher ed needs disruption. The problem is, a responsibly-run university is a slow/medium growth enterprise, not an overnight unicorn. The Vanderbilts and Carnegies of today could do a major public service if they wanted to. Use their names and hire the best researchers in their respective fields and pay them well.

Higher education works fine in other countries, where it is heavily subsidized by the government. But, I guess, for many people in the US - they want any solution other than that.

Why do you think higher education is not subsidized by the government? You can look at how much money universities receive. Do you think Universities are incapable of education people for less money?

Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

#204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Loans are a payment. These were a percentage of earnings. They are very different.

Percentage of earnings is just equity. They're different, but not ethically. Slavery would be forcibly taking 100% of an individual's equity, but given that ISAs are both optional and a minor percentage (Lambda's was 18% when I went thru), the comparison is unreasonable.

Equity in what property?

Equity in what property?

honk honk honk

Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

#205

I was one of the coding instructors at Make School which was similar to Lambda School and was bankrupt couple years ago. Our major issue? It was damn hard to find enough students for our school who were talented enough to understand computer science and had enough grit to finish the program and get a job. Why? Because those students were already absorbed by the established traditional universities.

I used to mentor for a south-eastern group, Iron Yard.

All the good candidates had proven themselves in other disciplines. Our top candidates my first year mentoring were a master carpenter and a PhD in Jazz.

The typical Bachelor’s in Communications-to-Coder just never panned out at a real-world level.

Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

#206
Not sure why the writer attacks his "sock puppet", it's not a sock puppet, his wording actually obscures but does not lie. He is in that discord, with other students.

If you think he's trying to hide on that account, and that's all your evidence, then you're just being emotional.

Don't trust anyone you meet on the internet as they may be the CEO.

Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

#207

The HN comment originally made by 'austenallred in https://www.sandofsky.com/content/images/2024/05/image-13.pn... is still available at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13502774 but is now by user '_pecl. The ownership of the comment changed between July 3, 2019 and January 31, 2020 according to https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://news.ycombinator.com/i... . I guess the author realized it reflected badly on hi…

[deleted]

Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

#209

Back in the late 80s / early 90s, I taught non-traditional students coming in through state-funded retraining programs at UT Arlington Continuing Education and Texas State Technical Institute (now TSTC) in Waco. The idea was "here are a bunch of laid-off manufacturing workers who want to retrain as SOMETHING with high-tech." The most popular courses were of the very short "here's how to do some things with Unix" vari…

Could you say more, or even link, to proper methodologies for measuring iterations of your curriculum? I'm a very amateur teacher, but have received great feedback on my "teaching style", which I've refined based on two things: how often I get puzzled looks during a technique, how often I get thanked for using a specific technique. I'm curious what this looks like in the big leagues - how this "scales". Thanks for yo…

Hi DANmode, I'm obviously not OP, but I am a teacher who has gained a broad understanding of the field from practice and research.

One thing about feedback this is counterintuitive is that, students are generally very bad at understanding what actually helps them learn. When I say learn I mean gain a conceptual understanding and procedural fluency in whatever they are learning that sticks with an ability to appropriately transfer that knowledge beyond the context they've seen it in.

So unfortunately when a student says "that was great!" research has found that to be negatively correlated with learning.

If you want to delve into a study that talks about this and what effective teaching looks like in the long-term I really recommend this study done at the US Air Force Academy [0].

It is the closest thing I have seen to a gold standard study in education where a lot of research is dubious at best:

Look at what Carrell and West handed us with this study:

- 7 year study at the US Air Force Academy - 10,534 students - 421 faculty members - 30 core courses, all standardized (math, science, social science, humanities, and engineering) - Random assignment of students to professors in initial course and follow-on courses

[0] https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/653808

I've got an email in my profile if you want to discuss!

Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

#210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Programming is easy. Putting a bunch of black-boxes together in order to build some app or whatever is much, much harder and more complex This is why I think those low-level "invert a binary tree" and "find a substring in a string" questions are not really that great if you're trying to find someone to actually build an application. Many more people know how to invert a binary tree than know how to go from an empty…

Isn't the binary tree question more of a "low-pass filter"? As in, if someone can't even do that, they don't get as far as the interview where you talk about architecture and other cool things?

I've been programming professionally for 35 years. I've never needed to invert or balance a tree. When I need a tree, there is usually a library that does what I need, and if not, I can google the algorithm that I need.

I could figure it out, but the issue is that it will take time, and it is stressful. A new college grad by contrast still remembers Data Structures 101, and how to manipulate trees. This kind of "bozo filter" favors both new grads, and people who spend a lot of time memorizing trivia in order to solve these problems quickly.

Post reply on HN