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EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wish there was a way for EU citizens to punish the council this behaviour. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be anything in place for that.
There is: stop electing the people that make these decisions in positions that can land them in the EU Council.
I wish that we had this possibility, but here in France the bad political parties have strong regulatory barriers to prevent independent and need comers to be candidate or have a chance to be president and sometimes parlement members...
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wish there was a way for EU citizens to punish the council this behaviour. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be anything in place for that.
You can vote for a different president/prime minister.
What if people choose their governments over more pressing concerns than $SCARE_QUOTE_PHRASE to defeat $STRAWMAN?
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#204The "EU" is not "greenlighting" that proposal this week. The Council of the EU will vote on their negotiation stance, which is merely one step in the legislative process, after which the Commission (which is pro-scanning) and the parliament (which is broadly against it) will get involved.
For context for non EU people: > As the commission is the executive branch, candidates are chosen individually by the 27 national governments. Within the EU, the legitimacy of the commission is mainly drawn from the vote of approval that is required from the European Parliament, along with its power to dismiss the body. So, the part of the EU appointed by member governments is the part driving this. The EU (as often)…
>The EU (as often) is being used here as a scapegoat for anti-democratic policies desired by national governments.
But if the representatives are chosen by the, presumably, democratically elected governments how are they "anti-democratic". Unless representative democracies are inherently undemocratic (and therefore most European government themselves undemocratic), I fail to see how this can be described as "anti-democratic".
In basically every democracy there is a way for the elected representatives to push through legislation which is unpopular or only supported by a small portion of the population. But this is an intentional feature.
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#205The "EU" is not "greenlighting" that proposal this week. The Council of the EU will vote on their negotiation stance, which is merely one step in the legislative process, after which the Commission (which is pro-scanning) and the parliament (which is broadly against it) will get involved.
And at every stage people will talk about how horrible EU is as if this has already passed, just like last time.
>And at every stage people will talk about how horrible EU is as if this has already passed, just like last time.
Even the idea makes me loose all faith in the institution. How can you be okay with people as deranged as this making rules about the future of your country?
"Not everyone is insane", just isn't a particularly strong point.
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#206https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/council-to-greenlight-chat-... Let your voice be heard! Contact your representatives (bottom of the page)!
There were elections about a week ago, so people voted for that, did they change mind in a week ? If you go against what people voted for, isn't it denying democracy and the votes of the people ?
Yes, some of the parties did. In Sweden for example, the government parties just decided to greenlight the EU proposal that is up for vote now, even though their EU parliament representatives (from the same parties) had said before the recent EU election that they were against it (they even celebrated publicly last autumn when the proposal was downvoted last time). It's a mess trying to keep track of the party politics to be fair and it's possible the EU parliament members are voting in one way while their "mother party" in the home land votes in another way. But it did feel like a rug pull here.
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#207https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/council-to-greenlight-chat-... Let your voice be heard! Contact your representatives (bottom of the page)!
There were elections about a week ago, so people voted for that, did they change mind in a week ? If you go against what people voted for, isn't it denying democracy and the votes of the people ?
>If you go against what people voted for, isn't it denying democracy and the votes of the people ?
No. An explicit feature of a representative democracy is that the will of the majority can be ignored.
The EU isn't a direct democracy where people can vote on particular issues, they vote on national parties, which send representatives to create EU wide parties.
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#208The "EU" is not "greenlighting" that proposal this week. The Council of the EU will vote on their negotiation stance, which is merely one step in the legislative process, after which the Commission (which is pro-scanning) and the parliament (which is broadly against it) will get involved.
And at every stage people will talk about how horrible EU is as if this has already passed, just like last time.
Can't EU be terrible, just because those ideas get this far?
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
For context for non EU people: > As the commission is the executive branch, candidates are chosen individually by the 27 national governments. Within the EU, the legitimacy of the commission is mainly drawn from the vote of approval that is required from the European Parliament, along with its power to dismiss the body. So, the part of the EU appointed by member governments is the part driving this. The EU (as often)…
>The EU (as often) is being used here as a scapegoat for anti-democratic policies desired by national governments. But if the representatives are chosen by the, presumably, democratically elected governments how are they "anti-democratic". Unless representative democracies are inherently undemocratic (and therefore most European government themselves undemocratic), I fail to see how this can be described as "anti-dem…
If you read
>The EU (as often) is being used here as a scapegoat for anti-democratic policies desired by national governments.
as
>The EU (as often) is being used here as a scapegoat for anti-democratic policies desired by democratically elected national governments.
This is a perfectly fine statement. The policy is argued to be anti-democratic because of its substance, not because of how democratic the process is by which it is adopted.
A measure with broad popular support can be anti-democratic, a measure only supported by a small portion of the population can be pro-democratic. It's orthogonal and if anything there is an inverse correlation.
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
>>An even smaller minority, especially for restaurants, slightly larger for non-chain fast food places that probably also cheat on taxes. Personal anecdote, but I've been travelling through Germany this winter and outside of motorway petrol stations and big supermarkets pretty much no one would accept my Visa/MasterCard cards - "EC Karten" only everywhere. We went to a big restaurant which I assumed would be ok becau…
Weird, I wonder if that’s the south? Up here in Lübeck, even the small stores now almost always accept everything thanks to the small SumUp terminals.
Was travelling through Sassnitz / Rugen last year and the restaurants we visited didn't accept cards. We had to run around late trying to find an ATM the first evening. And that is a tourist region even..