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Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by NiloCK »

netsharc wrote: post #167
t0bia_s wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar was transition from covid to war in Ukraine. Suddenly, covid disappeared from media.

So, who orchestrated a country's army with its hundred thousand men, tanks, bombs, against another country's, plus its civilians, and then even more civilians needing to run away... as a distraction? From what? Man, how did this "conspiracy theory" mental illness become so commonplace?

They aren't suggesting that the war was orchestrated by the media, but that the war provided the media with an opportunity to wind down pandemic coverage.

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Post by dsign »

infecto wrote: post #187

I don't support this legislation but I also do not live in the EU. Honest question, why do we (US, EU, wherever) not have more harsh punishment for child SA? Why not castrate the offender after two strikes or even one? I am sure there are other biological reasons for this to happen but I got the impression a lot of abusers were abused as children.

I doubt that child pornography is even the true reason behind these laws. If anything, that problem is at its lowest now in the entire human history, at least in Europe. And the form of "violence" these laws are trying to limit have to do with bytes going over the Internet, not directly with children being kidnapped or sold into prostitution. I'm not saying that these laws couldn't be used as tools to go after actual human trafficking networks, but their scope and the damage they do is vastly disproportional to that objective.

More likely, the true goal is to introduce novel forms of policing, and widen them bit by bit until we do become true surveillance states, where every word any citizen ever said is stored in some government archive.

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Post by latexr »

Double_a_92 wrote: post #66

You can't stop this kind of shit. Even if we do it will be back in a couple of months with another name.

That’s like saying “well, I can’t stop death so might as well keel over right now”. Even if it’s true that you can’t stop it (it isn’t, you’re just giving up), delaying it to the next time is still worth. Do it enough times and it works as if it were stopped.

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Post by baud147258 »

nope1000 wrote: post #12

"Fun" Fact: it's currently the European championships in football (soccer) in Europe (probably the biggest event of the year), so it's the perfect opportunity to sneak this through without too many people noticing.

> probably the biggest event of the year

At least in France, the upcoming Olympics are a strong contender. That and the surprise parliament election our president dropped on us; because he apparently didn't like the result his party got at the latest EU election, but honestly I don't see how he imagine he's going to get a better result this time around.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by WhackyIdeas »

joenot443 wrote: post #194
WhackyIdeas wrote: post #102

PGP encryption should be taught in school. Ingrained. Data privacy used to be trampled on with the fear of ‘terrorism’, but the Americans blasted the airwaves with the word so much that it diluted the word to the point it instills zero fear. Now the new words of the times to trample on privacy is CSAM. And like utter fools, the public fall for the same crap time and time and time again. The truth is, the world will a…

> and I believe we the west are probably more awful to humanity than even the Chinese, Israel or the Russians, and that is saying something This is a wild POV to hold and one I'm pretty disappointed to hear on HN. You'd really prefer a world of Russian hegemony over NATO? My cousins in Ukraine would be shocked to hear otherwise smart people cheering on a regime which the rest of the civilized world has broadly condem…

You serious? I nearly cried watching what was happening in Ukraine early in 2022.

You are making bad assumptions here.

But if you want to put it into perspective… think about what is happening in Gaza. Now compare to Ukraine. Russia has plenty of missiles and by comparison (even while absolutely awful) have shown much more restraint. I don’t support them at all though!

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Post by meiraleal »

A controversial take but I'm in favor of this kind of legislation. Big tech platforms is currently taken by criminals, anyone pretending it's not is lying. They need to be regulated and it will come in the form of regulating users.

What's the alternative? Communication tools that don't have a central server. What's the problem here? This legislation has the potential to unlock a golden age for local-first software

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by orwin »

pelasaco wrote: post #172
prmoustache wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many unpopular laws are passed during major sports events, soccer world cup, olympucs and/or during summer holidays season.

> Many unpopular laws are passed How many? Can you list some of them? I think that your assumptions are kind of the general opinion, but I am interested in facts. I couldn't find "many unpopular laws being passed during such events", can you?

In France:

- summer 2017, a law to limit demonstrations and strikes.

-summer 2020: LPR, that incite scientist to shut up, and limit their autonomy while strengthening administrative power over them (students tends to protest laws like this).

But usually, how you do it: you make a 'protect the children' law, or a 'counter terrorist' law, and you expend it's reach with executive power, that how Macron does it. Is it authoritarian? Yes.

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Post by amelius »

infecto wrote: post #187

I don't support this legislation but I also do not live in the EU. Honest question, why do we (US, EU, wherever) not have more harsh punishment for child SA? Why not castrate the offender after two strikes or even one? I am sure there are other biological reasons for this to happen but I got the impression a lot of abusers were abused as children.

Because we don't live in the middle ages and have human right laws.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodily_integrity

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Post by FabHK »

robjan wrote: post #140
sprash wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there was public evidence allowed to be released nobody would be using those algorithms obviously. The point of those algorithms is to make them hard to break for the public and easy to break for the agencies . E.g. None of your mentioned products use quantum hard encryption. It is not far fetched to assume that all the relevant agencies have access to a working quantum computer. But I doubt you need even sophisti…

Signal uses post-quantum encryption

Oh, indeed, they're adding a quantum resistant layer. Nice. Not sure it's in production yet.

https://signal.org/blog/pqxdh/

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Post by BodyCulture »

joenot443 wrote: post #185
wickedsickeune wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Greece, we recently elected as representatives for the EU Parliament: * a 71 year old lady, with no social media and no public speeches ever. * a guy who used a nickname for his last name, that matched with a military general (who is well known), and many people thought he was the general * a "journalist" that was caught twice talking on live TV, conversing with a pre-recorded video * a convicted criminal It's imp…

Truly frightening that these are the people who'll be contributing to the decisions made on the future of the internet for the entire rest of the world.

You are overestimating the real power of the EU parliament, everything is finally decided in the EU council. The parliament is more or less kind of a political theatre without the powers you would expect a parliament to have.
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