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Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

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Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

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post #154

Ever since that back and forth about "East Coast being kind vs West Coast being nice" thing a while back[1], I think it's important to distinguish the two. Because they are noticeably different (at least to me) and shouldn't be used interchangeably. I want someone to be kind to me in a meeting. I think niceness could seriously inhibit progress. A kind person will tell me that an idea I have won't work, but they'll of…

Which of the two would say nothing in the public meeting to let you save face, but then would pull you aside for a "quick chat" afterward, and tell you your idea is bad then?

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Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

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post #97

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This is real. When the car broke down in a turn lane in the rain: lots of honking behind me When the hazard lights came on: honking stopped, people materialized to help push it back out of the road

I don’t understand the relevance of this example. Without the hazard light, there’s a 99% chance the person is simply looking at their phone, needlessly delaying everyone else, hence the honking to alert them to move. What else is another driver supposed to do? A hazard light means there is a problem that can’t be solved with honking.

I think unmentioned is that this is the east coast style. In Seattle we just let you sit there indefinitely because honking wouldn’t be “nice”.

Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

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post #197

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I don’t understand the relevance of this example. Without the hazard light, there’s a 99% chance the person is simply looking at their phone, needlessly delaying everyone else, hence the honking to alert them to move. What else is another driver supposed to do? A hazard light means there is a problem that can’t be solved with honking.

Nice people wouldn't honk at the stationary car without it's hazards on.

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Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

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Disagree with the title. What one should try to avoid being, is a dick. Help people improve. Point out their weaknesses and how they can improve, but get your ducks in a row beforehand - don't be a hypocrite. He who lives in a glass house and all that.... Have empathy, and understand your surroundings, as well as reading the room with context. Be direct with people, don't waste their time, but don't be rude or crass…

Nothing you mentioned here disagrees with the title or the article

Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

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I definitely agree with this article. I’m at the stage of my career where my primary limiting factor is my inability to tolerate situations where it’s clear co-workers aren’t pulling their weight, don’t have the same philosophy I have about a project, or when they disagree about how to implement a solution. And nothing makes me angrier than when the tech lead or director in charge is clueless, which happens more ofte…

I feel like I am struggling with the same thing in my current role and point in my career. On one hand, I feel like I just need to come to terms with the fact that different people have different standards. On the other hand, I just desperately want to work with people who hold themselves to high standards and also get stuff done. In the meantime, I'm finding I'm running out of kindness. I often wonder if it's just m…

Yeah you really just have to learn to accept the situation. If you find an opportunity to jump ship to a place with competent people, take it. But in the meantime I just remind myself that I’m lucky I’m not breaking my back outside to make a living.

Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

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Ever since that back and forth about "East Coast being kind vs West Coast being nice" thing a while back[1], I think it's important to distinguish the two. Because they are noticeably different (at least to me) and shouldn't be used interchangeably. I want someone to be kind to me in a meeting. I think niceness could seriously inhibit progress. A kind person will tell me that an idea I have won't work, but they'll of…

To summarize the idea in a work concept for those who won't read through - East Coast "kind" would be to tell the person working for you about their performance issues early, in a constructive feedback manner such that they could course correct or find a role they are better suited for. The hope is they either improve in the role, find a new role internally, or decide to move on before having to stomach a firing. Wes…

My wife and I refer to the latter as "Smile F'ing"

Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To summarize the idea in a work concept for those who won't read through - East Coast "kind" would be to tell the person working for you about their performance issues early, in a constructive feedback manner such that they could course correct or find a role they are better suited for. The hope is they either improve in the role, find a new role internally, or decide to move on before having to stomach a firing. Wes…

My wife and I refer to the latter as "Smile F'ing"

I became familiar with this term in the mid 2000s and took it to be a Britishism, though I may have been wrong on its origin.

Usually it was used in the context of some devious ladder climbing political hack manager in corporate that we'd refer to as a "smile f'er" as he (always he) would be smiling while he secretly f'd you.

Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

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I definitely agree with this article. I’m at the stage of my career where my primary limiting factor is my inability to tolerate situations where it’s clear co-workers aren’t pulling their weight, don’t have the same philosophy I have about a project, or when they disagree about how to implement a solution. And nothing makes me angrier than when the tech lead or director in charge is clueless, which happens more ofte…

I feel like I am struggling with the same thing in my current role and point in my career. On one hand, I feel like I just need to come to terms with the fact that different people have different standards. On the other hand, I just desperately want to work with people who hold themselves to high standards and also get stuff done. In the meantime, I'm finding I'm running out of kindness. I often wonder if it's just m…

I have found myself feeling similar things. Something that I've done that has helped me is to find ways to nudge people further along the path of "hold[ing] themselves to high standards". That's easier said than done, but I hoped the thought might help you a little.

Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

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Very cool concept! Is it software engineering focused, and do you have to invest in sales or marketing to get clients?

Basically, we all have specifics, I focus on RF/Wireless Security projects for government... so you can imagine the sales cycle... sometimes there is overlap and we work together.

Very cool. One day I would like to become a data science / engineering consultant. And I can see the upside of building a co-op business.

Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

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post #77

If we tallied up all technical projects in the Western world that failed, how many would be failing due to lack of kindness versus, say, straight-forwards incompetence? Because 100% fall in the latter category in my experience. One of the problems with engineers counter-signalling engineering values (like actual technical competence) is that we live in a world where those values are extremely underrated while every m…

I don't think anyone has yet worked out a way to convince people to live in reality and follow science and engineering and also be kind to people who are opposed to those ways of thinking. Being fake kind to people who are genuinely obstructing things getting done is unproductive but so is being unkind and it seems most people value being cordial even if it means things fail.

Almost all problems on projects boil down to a people problem in the end many of which are made intractable by company and wider culture.

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