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Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by dzhiurgis »

stefanve wrote: post #51
Onavo wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pre 12.5 stack uses traditional C++ conditionals together with computer vision for highway driving. 12.5 and after is the a single stack setup (at least that's what Musk claims). The 12.3.6 (or the 12.4.1 that's being trialed right now) is pretty much the current production state of the art for Tesla street level (not highway) single stack self driving where the steering commands are directly issued by the neural…

While it sounds impressive from a technical point of view it doesn’t say anything about how much better it is or if it is now truly full self driving.

Plenty of videos on YouTube.

A text post without version number is not worth the bits it's printed on.

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by Vespasian »

guitarlimeo wrote: post #3
gabesullice wrote: post #2

I find it difficult to take the technology review seriously with the off topic remarks and prefaces about Musk and Tesla at the beginning of the post.

I find that apologetic behaviour strange too. You own a Tesla, it's a good car, no need to be sorry for its frontman. I mean I kinda get it? But everyone's doing it and it's weird. It's almost like writing a review of meat and apologizing for eating meat beforehand.

There is probably a reason why we hear very little about the political opinions of most Megacorp CEOs on a daily basis.

I'm sure I would agree with some of them and disagree with others but they are smart enough to not make that a center piece of their public persona.

Elon Musk decided on his own to

a) be a central marketing and PR channel of Tesla. He has everyone convinced that the company cannot thrive otherwise.

b) involve himself in hot button political discussions all around the globe (usually in a "hot-take-no-need-for-further-reasearch" manner).

c) buy a social media company while publicly lamenting the state of social media. At said social media he (again very publicly) instituted changes to align it with his political philosophy.

Whether one likes or dislikes his opinions, it is very clear that he wants to be seen as some kind of political influencer and that he bases some of his business decisions on this persona.

This is quite unusual and probably the sole reason people even think about the "frontmann" of the company when discussing the product

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by jasoncartwright »

drcode wrote: post #126
jasoncartwright wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, of course - we just have to wait for the next version. The response seen in the Twitter replies, YouTube comments and now HN comments to descriptions of FSD foulups for the best part of a decade now.

he/she was explicitly saying v12 was making an error, and someone corrected to say that it wasn't using v12 yet in that specific case nobody is trying to shift goalposts

Fixed later this year!

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #172
hbarka wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ford’s Blue Cruise is hands-off in mapped highways. Waymo is driverless. Musk is really getting away with all the hype for what Tesla cruise control delivers.

Tesla is hands-off since a week ago (provided you are sunglass free and watching road).

It is really difficult to read if this is sarcasm or not, and I am not being sarcastic.

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by lukan »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #196
hankman86 wrote: post #64

They should teach Tesla’s “autopilot” (and its FSD upgrade) in business schools. Turns out you can sustainably push up company valuation on vapourware. You have to wonder if Tesla’s autonomous driving technology was actually ever meant to turn into a product. Or whether it is mostly a tool to justify the lofty Tesla stock price. I very much doubt that it is technologically ahead of its competitors.

Give it some time ! When the dust settles, it will certainly be taught in business schools. And Musk will be in prison (not for FSD specifically). I watched the shareholders meeting yesterday - it was amazing. Elon repeated all the same things, he kept telling for the past 5 years at least, none of which is close to become a reality. And none was described in any tangible detail - all very vague promises. As for FSD,…

"And Musk will be in prison"

Or closer to formal political power.

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by pas »

DennisP wrote: post #157
grumbelbart wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But "works in limited cases" is absolutely not enough, given what it promises. It drove into static objects a couple of times, killing people. Recent videos still show behavior like speeding through stop signs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGOo06xzCeU&t=990s Meaning that it's really not reliable enough to take your hands off the wheel. Waymo shows that it is possible, with today's technology, to do much much bette…

It's not enough for robotaxis yet, and Tesla doesn't claim that it is. They just think they'll get there. What they do claim is that with human supervision, it lowers the accident rate to one per 5.5 million miles, which is a lot better than the overall accident rate for all cars on the road. And unlike Waymo, it works everywhere. That's worthwhile even if it never improves from here. Fwiw you can take your hands off…

> it works everywhere.

where there's enough bandwidth

> you just have to watch the road

... and then react in a split second, or what? it's simpler to say goodbyes before the trip.

> They just think they'll get there.

of course. I think too. eventually they'll hire the receptionist from Waymo and he/she will tell them to build a fucking world model that has some object permanence.

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

Larrikin wrote: post #17
gabesullice wrote: post #2

I find it difficult to take the technology review seriously with the off topic remarks and prefaces about Musk and Tesla at the beginning of the post.

If you aren't in the cult of personality, a lot of people need to justify it at this point. I have no interest in buying a Tesla unless he divests fully. Everyone else seems to be catching up without lying about their projected capabilities and I don't need an EV today. I don't want to give him any more money than he has.

> If you aren't in the cult of personality, a lot of people need to justify it at this point

The cult of hate seems a lot more like a cult than the alleged cult of personality. This post and comments like yours only make it more apparent.

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

debatem1 wrote: post #198
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is Nvidia's CEO just saying this because Waymo doesn't buy GPUs from them? Waymo works in limited places and relies on a ridiculous number of sensors. Have you seen one in real life with all its equipment? Surely that makes it less advanced or at less ambitious. Assuming something malicious about Nvidia’s CEO seems like a big leap.

Ambition isn't the goal, self driving is. Who cares how many sensors it has as long as it works?

> Who cares how many sensors it has as long as it works?

Funny enough, The original topic was that looking sexier was more profitable than working.

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Post by mlindner »

hankman86 wrote: post #64

They should teach Tesla’s “autopilot” (and its FSD upgrade) in business schools. Turns out you can sustainably push up company valuation on vapourware. You have to wonder if Tesla’s autonomous driving technology was actually ever meant to turn into a product. Or whether it is mostly a tool to justify the lofty Tesla stock price. I very much doubt that it is technologically ahead of its competitors.

It's weird how people keep calling this vaporware when it actually works, is active on roads, and is used by tens of thousands of people. That's the strangest usage of the term I've ever seen. Vaporware is the term used to describe products announced that never make it to market in any form.

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by tsimionescu »

red75prime wrote: post #137
tsimionescu wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that the old FSD stack that, starting with 2018, has been "ready for fully autonomous driving where you can take a nap by this time next year", according to the CEO of the company? Why are people still hopeful for Tesla FSD when other companies are so, so far ahead already?

Which ones? Waymo is geolocked. Mercedes' Drive Pilot is a glorified lane assist. Cruise is suspended. Who else?

Geolocked driverless cars are a major advance over FSD. Mercedes "glorified lane assist" is actually safe in well defined parameters, and gives you a well defined amount of time (10s?) to re-engage, with guaranteed fail-safe if you don't. FSD is... A tech demo?
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