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Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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Steve Jobs famously said Dropbox is a feature not a product. This feels very much like it.

Well, Dropbox is a sub $8bn company now that hasn't really grown in 5 years, so maybe Steve was right?

Yea, I mean…if you’re only doing $3.5Bn in annual revenue at 83% gross margins…like, are you even a product bro?

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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> Privacy protections are built in when accessing ChatGPT within Siri and Writing Tools—requests are not stored by OpenAI, and users’ IP addresses are obscured. Does anybody believe Apple will not be able to know who sent a given request, and that OpenAI won't be able to use the data in the request for more or less anything they want? I read statements like this and just flat-out don't believe them anymore.

They have tech to obscure IPs in a way that prevents any one entity from being able to de-obfuscate: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102602

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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Honestly I was surprised at how limited the ChatGPT integration seems to be. It felt like they 80/20'd AI with the onboard models + semantic index, but also wanted to cover that last 20% with some kind of SOTA cloud model. But they didn't necessarily NEED to.

They need to in order to not look second-class in terms of chat capabilities. On the other hand, they want to make it clear when you are using ChatGPT, probably not just for privacy reasons, but also so that people blame ChatGPT and not Apple when it gets things wrong.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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Siri is a toy, but I don't think that was Apple's intent. It's been a long-standing complaint that using Siri to search the web sucks compared to other companies offerings.

Apple's product focus is on getting Siri to bridge your first-party and third-party apps, your 500GB of on-device data, and your terabyte of iCloud data with a nice interface, all of which they're trying to deliver using their own technology. Having Siri answer your trivia question about whale songs, or suggest a Pad Thai recipe modification when you ran out of soy sauce, is just not where they see the value. Poor we…

That's the complaint! They play in the same space, they just don't seem to be trying. Siri happily returns links to Pad Thai recipes, it's not like they didn't expect this to be a use-case. They just haven't made a UX that competes with others.

And it's not just web search! Siri's context is abysmal. My dad routinely has to correct the spelling of his own name. It's a common name, there are multiple spellings, but it's his phone!

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There’s a lot I don’t like about Sam Altman. There’s a lot I don’t like about OpenAI. But goddamn they absolutely leapfrogged Google and Apple and it’s completely amazing to see these trillion dollar companies play catch-up with a start-up. I want to see more of this. Big Tech has been holding back innovation for too long.

Big Tech is the only reason OpenAI can run. Microsoft is propping them up with billions of dollars worth of compute and infrastructure

And the foundational tech (Transformers) came from Big Tech, aka Google

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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LLMs are not accurate, they aren't subject matter experts that'll be maybe within 5% error margin. You're asserting that the AI features will be removed in 3 to 5 years because they're not accurate enough today , but you actually need them to remain inaccurate in 3 years time for your prediction to be correct. That seems unlikely. I agree that people will start to realize the cost, but the accuracy will improve, so p…

The same argument can be used for Tesla full self driving: basically it has to be (nearly) perfect, and after years of development, it's not there yet. What's different about LLMs?

They don't have to be perfect to be useful, and death isn't the price of being wrong.

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Um, wow. The major question in my mind: did Apple pay, or did OpenAI pay? (A-la google for search). Apple is not going to lose control of the customer, ever, so on balance I would guess this is either not a forever partnership or that OpenAI won’t ultimately get what they want out of it. I’m very curious to see how much will be done on device and how much will go to gpt4o out of the gate. I’m also curious if they’re…

Apple is definitely paying because they don't let OpenAI save anything.

They’re letting OpenAI upsell to a professional version, so there is a lot in it for OpenAI to offer this for free, even without the data.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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My gut says that it's a stopgap solution to implement the experience they want. I think Apple's ultimate goal is to move as much of the AI functionality as possible on-device.

yup.. and thats good for the consumers as well because they don't have to worry about their private data sitting on open ai servers.

The idea that they would give ChatGPT away to consumers for free without mining the data in some form or another is naive.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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GPT4o access is a handy feature, but, what I was hoping to hear about is an improvement in Siri's language "understanding." In today's WWDC presentation, there were a few small examples of Siri improvements, such as an ability to maintain context, e.g., 'Add her flight arrival time to my calendar,' wherein Siri knows who "her" refers to. In my day-to-day experience with Siri, it's clear Siri doesn't have the kind of…

> In today's WWDC presentation, there were a few small examples of Siri improvements, such as an ability to maintain context, e.g., 'Add her flight arrival time to my calendar,' wherein Siri knows who "her" refers to.

Didn't Cortana do this? Pretty underwhelming in 2024.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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post #177

Um, wow. The major question in my mind: did Apple pay, or did OpenAI pay? (A-la google for search). Apple is not going to lose control of the customer, ever, so on balance I would guess this is either not a forever partnership or that OpenAI won’t ultimately get what they want out of it. I’m very curious to see how much will be done on device and how much will go to gpt4o out of the gate. I’m also curious if they’re…

Apple is definitely paying because they don't let OpenAI save anything.

Yeah, I wonder how many subscribers OpenAI will lose.
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